Closed hrenz closed 3 years ago
Yes noticed this too and also a lag with the data. This has been discussed in the firmware github page and the lag has been traced back to a filter in ethos. @smartommy has advised this would be fixed in the next ethos update I don't know if this will also address the most telemetry issue.
here a Link to the 4-5 Videos with this problem and long comments (techn German)
here a Link to the 4-5 Videos with this problem and long comments (techn German)
@hrenz ,could you show the vedios here or youtobe, I don't have an IDfor this forum your post link. Thank you.
will try it, but are vey large, 30-90MB per Video ah I seen, sorry not possible here, max 10MB
We tried many times and failed to reproduce the problem you described. What version of firmware are you using? Is it 1.0.7 ? Hope you can provide more information. Thanks for your feedback.
as I described above Test with X20S with V1.0.7 and Tandem V2.1.8 Beta X6R ACCST V2.1.0 D16 and a Neuron 60 ESC with SBEC there is no other/newer V2.1.0 for X6R, X8R
with TX16S, X9D+2019, X9E its all ok, never sensor lost, realy never with X20S allways sensor lost from Neuron 60 every few soconds, not from RX
I can repeat the Test day by day look a may 4-5 Videos at german Engel ltd, or ask Andreas Engel yourself you will see it.
I was very surprised too because this is the simplest configuration. Distance RX TX 1m or 10m does not matter
Were can i upload the videos, each about 20 to 80MB
other Tests from today RX8R with V2.1.x no Problem, no Sensor lost from Neuron 60 with X20s and my other TX´s
its seems to be a combination of X6R, X8R V2.1.0 with Neuron 60 and X20S intolerance signal timing
I have similar issues.
X20S v1.07 fw2.18 Unilog S32 logger, on X8R, X4R-SB constantly telemetry lost.
X10 or other, 100% connection, no lost
Have you been able to fix the issue with the filter causing delayed esc telemetry data? Thanks
were is a filter setting to delay? never set any filter at any Tx
Why should I set a filter. It works with all transmitters but not with the X20.
There is no.physical setting I think it must be built into the ethos software @SmartTommy advised on the receiver firmware page that the lag issue had been traced back to a filter in ethos and that it was going to be addressed on the next ethos firmware release.
We will see with next V1.0.8
Have you been able to fix the issue with the filter causing delayed esc telemetry data? Thanks
@islandflight what do you mean by this? where this filter? in Ethos? in the module?
Have you been able to fix the issue with the filter causing delayed esc telemetry data? Thanks
@islandflight what do you mean by this? where this filter? in Ethos? in the module?
Please see #121 in frsky firmware git hub page. The telemetry data being displayed from the neuron esc lags behind what the motor is doing ie current capacity rpm @ smartommy says this has been traced back to a telemetry filter in ethos https://github.com/FrSkyRC/Firmware-Test/issues/121#issuecomment-848570563
OK. This one is fixed. We were averaging the RPM over 10 samples.
But it's very different from @hrenz issue
as I described above Test with X20S with V1.0.7 and Tandem V2.1.8 Beta X6R ACCST V2.1.0 D16 and a Neuron 60 ESC with SBEC there is no other/newer V2.1.0 for X6R, X8R
with TX16S, X9D+2019, X9E its all ok, never sensor lost, realy never with X20S allways sensor lost from Neuron 60 every few soconds, not from RX
I can repeat the Test day by day look a may 4-5 Videos at german Engel ltd, or ask Andreas Engel yourself you will see it.
I was very surprised too because this is the simplest configuration. Distance RX TX 1m or 10m does not matter
Were can i upload the videos, each about 20 to 80MB
other Tests from today RX8R with V2.1.x no Problem, no Sensor lost from Neuron 60 with X20s and my other TX´s
its seems to be a combination of X6R, X8R V2.1.0 with Neuron 60 and X20S intolerance signal timing
It would be great if you could provide some videos . Thanks a lot
@hrenz here a few more questions: 1) which sensor is in RED in Model / Telemetry 2) if you see a red sensor value, what are its limits? 3) please pay attention to the Temp sensor, its low limit should be 0, not 1 If a value is out of range, it is rejected. If you receive only out or range values, the sensor will be considered as wrong and you will get a warning
ESC sensors limits have been updated in 1.0.8
its not a Problem from Limits its a combination for X6R (X8R) with a Sensor to X20 ETHOS
only the telm values form Neutron60 is in red never the RX values itself
will upload my 5 mp4 Files tomorrow
its never sensor lost with a RX8R and X20 ETHOS Errors appears only with X6R / X8R and X20 ETHOS
Which is the sensor which becomes red in Model / Telemetry?
here are the 5 Videos mp4 about 210MB download link: open for 5 downloads and 10 days https://www.hidrive.strato.com/lnk/BPxEreoV
its the neuron60 with X6R, X8R (V2.1.0 ) and X20 ETHOS with Tandem V2.1.8 and V1.0.8Beta only at this combinaition, not with RX8R with Neuron60 and X20 ETHOS
Look at your ESC Temp, edit it and change the min value to 0°C, not 1°C
ok have done set to 0°C
but the Temp is not 0°C it is 31°C can see it with RX8R at all other TX I have
think there is a data interpreter problem with X6R, X8R to X20 ETHOS, timing-problem or a problem with V2.1.0 at X6R, X8R all other RX has newer Version V2.1.7
shall I test more?
SBEC V and SBEC A are lost too you can see it at the videos
Temp needs a fix then
But this error with lost Sensor ist only with X6R, X8R V2.1.0 not with RX6R, RX8R under same conditions.
So it must be the V2.1.0 at X6R, X8R
look at the video with RX8R, never one sensor lost
https://www.hidrive.strato.com/lnk/7VRELi7O
I think Frsky knows the bug with X6R, X8R with V2.1.0 and ETHOS but doesn't want to fix it.
Do you see 31°C in OpenTX with the same sensor and same receiver? I don't see any obvious issue in Ethos about it.
@hrenz Do you see 31°C in OpenTX with the same sensor and same receiver? I don't see any obvious issue in Ethos about it.
If YES, then it is a bug in Ethos that I would like to fix quicky in 1.0.8 If NO, it's a RF bug, not Ethos
No answer, please check it is fully fixed in 1.0.9 candidate 4 (or above) Feel free to reopen if needed
Hy Betrand, Today Test TX, RX, FLVSS, GPS, VARIO TX: X20S V1.0.9.C4 TD V2.1.8 RX: X6R, S6R V2.1.0 V2.1.6 (ACCST) Akku 5S NiMH 2000mAh Distance Tx, RX about 1,5m
Test with X20S V1.0.9.C4 TD V2.1.8 with a FLVSS as single Sensor, NO "Sensor Lost" with X6R, S6R with a Vario as single Sensor, "Sensor Lost" about every 1min, seldom "Telemetry Lost" with X6R, S6R with a GPS as single Sensor, "Sensor Lost" about every 10-15 sec with X6R S6R with FLVSS, Vario, GPS all 3 Sensors in chain, X6R and S6R shows only the Rx internal Values, no external Sensors!
Test with X9D+SE 2019 (ISRM S-X9 with 2.1.6, and with V2.1.0 tested) openTx V2.3.11 with FLVSS, Vario, GPS all 3 Sensors in chain, S6R and X6R, No "Sensor Lost" Data internal Values, external Sensors Fine!
Test with a XJT-Modul v2.1.0 (TX16S 4in1 D16 V2 LBT) openTx V2.3.11 with FLVSS, Vario, GPS all 3 Sensors in chain, S6R and X6R, NO "Sensor Lost", all internal und external Sensor Values ok! All fine!
The first errors with the X9D+Se 2019 came from a defective test model. the telemetry did not work properly for whatever reason New model created and everything works with telemetry
I have seen similar issues, Only with ACCST receivers. Swapped them out with ACCESS receivers for test, no problems anymore. Has something to do with the ACCST protocol.
All my other TX ( X9E, X9D, Tx16S) have XJT Moduls with ACCST LBT V1.x and V2.1.0 openTx V2.3.11 and they work very well with all sensors in chain, no Problem!
So its a problem from Frsky with their ACCST, LBT V2.1.0 with ISRM, but not with ACCST, LBT V2.1.0 with XJT
Tomorrow I will test ACCESS Archer RX and X20, X9D+SE 2019 under equal conditions We will see
Next Test All LBT not FCC
X20S V1.0.9.RC4 V2.1.8 and G-RX8
with a FLVSS as single Sensor, NO "Sensor Lost" with G-RX8 internal Values and Sensor Values OK
with FLVSS, GPS all 2Sensors in chain, "Sensor Lost" about every 10-15 sec with G-RX8
with X9S+SE2019 ISRM V2.1.0 and V2.1.6 with FLVSS, GPS all 2Sensors in chain, NO "Sensor Lost" all Values fine G-RX8
with X9E XJT V2.1.0 and G-RX8 with FLVSS, GPS all 2 Sensors in chain, inernal and external Sensor Values ok, All fine! "No Sensor Lost"
with TX16S 4in1 FrSky V2 LBT (like XJT V2.1.0) and G-RX8 with FLVSS, GPS all 2 Sensors in chain, inernal and external Sensor Values ok, All fine! "No Sensor Lost"
The first errors with the X9D+Se 2019 came from a defective test model. the telemetry did not work properly for whatever reason New model created and everything works with telemetry
This are all in ACCST LBT V2.1.x
Next Test with ACCESS System All Rx TX with LBT, not FCC
X20S V1.0.9.RC4 V2.1.8 and GR8 V2.1.7 with GR8 single No "Sensor Lost" all internal Values ok with a FLVSS as single Sensor, NO "Sensor Lost" with GR8 internal Values and Sensor Values OK with FLVSS, GPS all 2Sensors in chain, "Sensor Lost" about every 10-15 sec with GR8 This is a problem of X20S ETHOS TD with more as a FLVSS
X9S+SE2019 ISRM V2.1.0 and V2.1.6 with GR8 V2.1.7 with FLVSS, GPS all 2Sensors in chain, "No Sensor Lost" all Values Fine !
The first errors with the X9D+Se 2019 came from a defective test model. the telemetry did not work properly for whatever reason New model created and everything works with telemetry
Summery Telemetry Tests during last 2 Days 4 TX X20S, X9D+SE 2019, X9E, TX16S all LBT, not FCC,, HF-Modul: TD, ISRM, XJT, 4in1MPM 4 RX, X6R, S6R, G-X8, GR8 4 Sensors FLVSS, GPS, Vario, Neuron60 ACCST, ACCESS, all latest V2.1.x at TX and RX
X20S works with all 4 RX, with internal Values, No"Sensor Lost", all fine X20S works with all 4 RX and a FLVSS with internal and external Values, No "Sensor Lost", all fine X20S works not if other Sensors or more as one Sensor in Chain, "Sensor Lost" allwys every few seconds
All other combinations of TX and Rx works flawlessly, no "Sensor Lost", never its a Problem of ETHOS or TD modul
Hy, I have LBT not FCC so have not tested 2,1,1 für S6R
ETHOS V1.0.9.C4 TD V2.1.8 X20S with only FLVSS works stabil with Telemetry, internal and external Data stabil, No "Sensor Lost" But other sensors or more sensors in chain you got "Sensor Lost" every few seconds
mfg H. Renz
-----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- Von: LiNan @.> An: FrSkyRC/ETHOS-Feedback-Community @.> Cc: hrenz @.>; Mention @.> Verschickt: Sa, 12. Jun. 2021 3:41 Betreff: Re: [FrSkyRC/ETHOS-Feedback-Community] X20S V2.1.8 Beta, X6R ACCST V2.1.0 with Neuron 60, Sensor lost every few seconds (#357)
Hy Betrand, Today Test TX, RX, FLVSS, GPS, VARIO TX: X20S V1.0.9.C4 TD V2.1.8 RX: X6R, S6R V2.1.0 V2.1.6 (ACCST) Akku 5S NiMH 2000mAh Distance Tx, RX about 1,5mTest with X20S V1.0.9.C4 TD V2.1.8 with a FLVSS as single Sensor, NO "Sensor Lost" with X6R, S6R with a Vario as single Sensor, "Sensor Lost" about every 1min, seldom "Telemetry Lost" with X6R, S6R with a GPS as single Sensor, "Sensor Lost" about every 10-15 sec with X6R S6R with FLVSS, Vario, GPS all 3 Sensors in chain, X6R and S6R shows only the Rx internal Values, no external Sensors!Test with X9D+SE 2019 (ISRM S-X9 with 2.1.6, and with V2.1.0 tested) openTx V2.3.11 with FLVSS, Vario, GPS all 3 Sensors in chain, S6R and X6R, shows No Data no internal Values, no external Sensors! with FLVSS, as singel Sensor, Test with X6R and S6R, shows No Date, no internal Values, no external Sensor this error only occurs after I have had been flashed to the latest Tx and Rx firmware, such a mess! and I can't get rid of this error not even by flashing back, such big mess!Test with a XJT-Modul v2.1.0 (TX16S 4in1 D16 V2 LBT) openTx V2.3.11 with FLVSS, Vario, GPS all 3 Sensors in chain, S6R and X6R, NO "Sensor Lost", all internal und external Sensor Values ok! All fine!After this test: I think FrSky has a big big Telemetry problem with their latest V2.1.x firmware for Tx and for RX and with ACCST, LBT, ISRM Modul, but not with a XJT V2.1.0Have not tested with ACCESS and not ACCST with FCC Hi hrenz,have you test the the new firmware: https://www.frsky-rc.com/s6r/ — You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or unsubscribe.
Someone has just posted on RC groups reporting the same telemetry loss issue with an accst SR8 receiver and x20. They tried the same with an archer access stabilizer receiver and problem resolved so it does look like this issue is related to the accst receivers and x20.
Hy, I have LBT not FCC so have not tested 2,1,1 für S6R ETHOS V1.0.9.C4 TD V2.1.8 X20S with only FLVSS works stabil with Telemetry, internal and external Data stabil, No "Sensor Lost" But other sensors or more sensors in chain you got "Sensor Lost" every few seconds mfg H. Renz … -----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- Von: LiNan @.> An: FrSkyRC/ETHOS-Feedback-Community @.> Cc: hrenz @.>; Mention @.> Verschickt: Sa, 12. Jun. 2021 3:41 Betreff: Re: [FrSkyRC/ETHOS-Feedback-Community] X20S V2.1.8 Beta, X6R ACCST V2.1.0 with Neuron 60, Sensor lost every few seconds (#357) Hy Betrand, Today Test TX, RX, FLVSS, GPS, VARIO TX: X20S V1.0.9.C4 TD V2.1.8 RX: X6R, S6R V2.1.0 V2.1.6 (ACCST) Akku 5S NiMH 2000mAh Distance Tx, RX about 1,5mTest with X20S V1.0.9.C4 TD V2.1.8 with a FLVSS as single Sensor, NO "Sensor Lost" with X6R, S6R with a Vario as single Sensor, "Sensor Lost" about every 1min, seldom "Telemetry Lost" with X6R, S6R with a GPS as single Sensor, "Sensor Lost" about every 10-15 sec with X6R S6R with FLVSS, Vario, GPS all 3 Sensors in chain, X6R and S6R shows only the Rx internal Values, no external Sensors!Test with X9D+SE 2019 (ISRM S-X9 with 2.1.6, and with V2.1.0 tested) openTx V2.3.11 with FLVSS, Vario, GPS all 3 Sensors in chain, S6R and X6R, shows No Data no internal Values, no external Sensors! with FLVSS, as singel Sensor, Test with X6R and S6R, shows No Date, no internal Values, no external Sensor this error only occurs after I have had been flashed to the latest Tx and Rx firmware, such a mess! and I can't get rid of this error not even by flashing back, such big mess!Test with a XJT-Modul v2.1.0 (TX16S 4in1 D16 V2 LBT) openTx V2.3.11 with FLVSS, Vario, GPS all 3 Sensors in chain, S6R and X6R, NO "Sensor Lost", all internal und external Sensor Values ok! All fine!After this test: I think FrSky has a big big Telemetry problem with their latest V2.1.x firmware for Tx and for RX and with ACCST, LBT, ISRM Modul, but not with a XJT V2.1.0Have not tested with ACCESS and not ACCST with FCC Hi hrenz,have you test the the new firmware: https://www.frsky-rc.com/s6r/ — You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or unsubscribe.
Hi hrenz, We tested it in your way(same firmware),and can't reproduce the problem "sensors lost", we connect the the FLVSS, GPS,VARIO, Neuron -80, airspeed to X8R(LBT) sport, and it works well.
could you tell me the phyID of your every sensors?
Will test it again wiith V1.0.9 today and look at phyID
"Sensor Lost" ever few seconds
and sometimes "Telemetry Lost" too,
Distance Rx Tx 1,5m
X20S V2.1.8, LBT, ETHOS V1.0.9 X6R V2.1.0 LBT
ID X6R Empf Batt 18 F104 RSSI 18 F101
ID Neuron 60 Volt 10 0B50 Ampere 10 0B50 Temp 10 0B70 U/min 10 0B60 Verbrauch 10 0B60
ID SBEC 10 0B50
ID Vario Höhe 1A 0100 Steigrate 1A 110
ID FLVSS 01 0300
ID GPS 03 800 03 820 03 800
Summery: I have 4TX with ACCST, ACCESS, TD, (X9E, X9D+Express, TX16S, X20S) I have 4 RX with ACCST and ACCESS (X6R, S6R, GR8, ... I have 4-6 Sensors, single and in row ( Vario, GPS, FLVSS, Neuron60, Current40A, ...) I have combined all posibilities of Tx, Rx, Sensors single and in row and only with X20S ETHOS I got this Sensor Lost Not wth X9E, TX16S, X9D+Express, I have tested all with LBT not FCC No Sensor Lost with Rx internal Sensor ( Vario, Gyro..) only
If you dont have this sensor Lost with FCC at X20 V2.1.8, and ETHOS V1.0.9
So my friend: You HAVE a big problem with X20 TD-System or with ETHOS and LBT Not more, not less
Will test it again wiith V1.0.9 today and look at phyID
"Sensor Lost" ever few seconds and sometimes "Telemetry Lost" too, Distance Rx Tx 1,5m
X20S V2.1.8, LBT, ETHOS V1.0.9 X6R V2.1.0 LBT
ID X6R Empf Batt 18 F104 RSSI 18 F101
ID Neuron 60 Volt 10 0B50 Ampere 10 0B50 Temp 10 0B70 U/min 10 0B60 Verbrauch 10 0B60
ID SBEC 10 0B50
ID Vario Höhe 1A 0100 Steigrate 1A 110
ID FLVSS 01 0300
ID GPS 03 800 03 820 03 800
Summery: I have 4TX with ACCST, ACCESS, TD, (X9E, X9D+Express, TX16S, X20S) I have 4 RX with ACCST and ACCESS (X6R, S6R, GR8, ... I have 4-6 Sensors, single and in row ( Vario, GPS, FLVSS, Neuron60, Current40A, ...) I have combined all posibilities of Tx, Rx, Sensors single and in row and only with X20S ETHOS I got this Sensor Lost Not wth X9E, TX16S, X9D+Express, I have tested all with LBT not FCC No Sensor Lost with Rx internal Sensor ( Vario, Gyro..) only
If you dont have this sensor Lost with FCC at X20 V2.1.8, and ETHOS V1.0.9
So my friend: You HAVE a big problem with X20 TD-System or with ETHOS and LBT Not more, not less
We connect the Sensors and Rx same as your picture shows, but can't reproduce that. could you connect the Sensor one by one? i mean connect the Vario to the Rx first, if no Sensor Lost then connect the Neuron 60, if no Sensor Lost, plug the GPS, and then FLVSS, i need to know witch one caused the failure.
did it with X6R and Vario at X20 and at X9D+2019 Sensor Lost, and terrible Values with X20, but not with X9D+2019 All parts static on a table, no movement
cant load *.csv here , ok then zip X20S ETHOS mit X6R.zip
exact same test with X9D+2019 and X6R No Sensor Lost, no terrible Values
cant load *.csv here, ok thenzip X9D-Express X6R 07-2021-06-30.zip
then same test from an other person, 300km away from me he has an other X20, X6R, Vario too
Same bad result Results, X20 Sensor Lost and terrible Values So dont tell me YOU have no errors with X20
All Data, CSV, Pictures at frsky-forum.de
cant load *.csv here, why?
Just zip it and drop it here.
Summery Frsky Telemetry has Errors with all Tx and Rx with external sensors sometimes more sometimes less depending on the combination with terrible values und sensor lost with ACCST and ACCESS , with LBT and FCC and these errors have been for a long time
Details with lots of data at frsky-forum.de There are many RF specialists and controller developers together. who also have the corresponding measuring devices lots of CSV, Pictures and Result
https://frsky-forum.de/index.php?thread/5071-telemetry-sensor-verloren/&pageNo=1
Examples: Sender X9D OTX 2.2.11 RX S8R v2.1.0 LBT Sensor FAS100S CSV: X9D mit S8R FAS100.zip
On the weekend I will test again systematically with other receivers and sensors under the same conditions without movement on a table
On the weekend I will test again systematically with other receivers and sensors under the same conditions without movement on a table
have you test the new firmware :https://www.frsky-rc.com/tandem-x20s/?
Test today with X20 ETHOS V1.0.10RC2 ACCST X6R and extern SPORT Vario All parts with latest firmware Distance Tx, Rx about 1,4m, No movement of Rx and Vario, laying on a Table in a closed room
Telemetry Lost, Sensor Lost, no improvment to last Tests, allways the same errors Error comes from X20, Tandem, not X9D+ Express X20 ETHOS with TD Modul has a Telemetry Problem with (all) ACCST receivers because I testet under same conditions both TX , no Telemetry Lost, no Sensoro Lost, no extrem Values with X9d+Express
Here the CSV as Zip and a Picture of the CSV I allways set SF-Switch by Hand after Sensor Lost or Telemetry lost appears to see the errortime
same Test with X9D+Express, X6R and Vario no Telemetry Lost, no Sensor Lost, no extrem Values Picture and the CSV as Zip
X9DExpress X6R Vario-2021-07-04.zip
Next Test X20s ETHOS mit ACCESS G8R receiver with internal Vario and external Vario Here its all ok, No Sensor Lost, No telemetry lost
Result: X20 ETHOS with TD-Moudul has a great Telemetry problem with (all) ACCST Receivers but not with ACCESS
And here same Test with X9D+Express ACCESS G8R with intern Vario and extern Vario NoTelemetry Lost, Sensor Lost, But RSSI sometimes 4-6s same constant Values, that can also not be CSV as Zip
Test with X20S V2.1.8 Beta X6R ACCST V2.1.0 D16 and a Neuron 60 ESC with SBEC the neuron telemetry ist not stabile Every few seconds I get the message "sensor lost", then sensor back , etc.
Same test with a TX16S or X9D+2019 or X9E everything is ok no sensor lost, everything stabile this has been my test setup for a year for servo test, currents and voltages
Distance Rx to Tx approx. 1-2m
X20 Telemetry not usable as it is