Transfer FreeCEN1 Welsh help to FreeCEN2

[PatReynolds]

E2 U3 S8 C5: P18

[PatReynolds]

http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~bowbren/genealogy/Cymru__Wales.htm needs review / transfer to FreeCEN2 / update

[Captainkirkdawson]

Surely all we need is the Welsh Translations

[PatReynolds]

I would think so - http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~bowbren/genealogy/Glamorgan%201871.htm (for example) is well out of date (a quick check suggests so).

[Captainkirkdawson]

They are all out of date because they cannot be updated on rootsweb

[FreecenBren]

I presume you mean this as below from my old Roots Web Page.

Welsh Basic meaning Welsh Basic meaning

Aber a river mouth or confluence of waters Gwaelod bottom or foundation

Aelwyd hearth or home Gwyn white or holy

Afon a river Gwynt & wynt wind

Allt a hill Hafod summer dwelling or summer pasture

Awel a breeze Haul the sun

Bach & Fach small little Hen old

Bae a bay Hendre winter dwelling

Betws a house of prayer Heulog sunny

Blaen the source of a river or head of a valley Hyfryd pleasant agreeable delightful

Bodlon satisfied content Llan a church or parish

Bron the breast of a hill Llyn a lake or pool

Bryn a hill Llys a hall court or palace

Buarth farmyard Maes a field

Bwlch a pass or gap Mawr & Fawr big large

Cae a field Melin a mill

Caer & Gaer a fort Minffordd the wayside

Canol mid or centre Mor sea

Capel a chapel Morfa sea marsh or bog

Caredig kind Mynydd a mountain

Carreg stone Nant a stream or brook

Cartref abode residence Newydd new

Castell a castle Ochr beside

Cefn a ridge Pant hollow dent or valley

Celyn holly Pen head top or end

Cloch a bell Pentre a village

Coch & Goch red Perllan Berllan an orchard

Coed a wood Pistyll a waterfall

Craig & Graig a rock outcrop or crag Plas mansion large house

Croes a cross Pont a bridge

Cwm a valley Pwll a pool

Derwen oak Rhestr a row or line

Draw yonder beyond Rhos moorland

Dyffryn a valley Rhyd a ford

Dwr water Tan under beneath

Eglwys church Teg fair fine beautiful

Fan & Ban summit peak Terfyn end or boundary

Ffordd road Tirion gentle gracious

Ffydd faith confidence or belief Tre a homestead or town

Ffynnon a well Ty a house

Glan river bank or seashore Tyddyn a small farm or smallholding

Glyn a glen or valley Ucha(f) highest

Please note that I have asked ‘Roots web Free Pages’ to remove the set of indexes for years and had no success. Other people are the same including a few Family History Society members. I you can get them to take them down then good luck!

None of the other pages in the set can be relied on as many Counties have changed a lot in 5 years for FreeCEN.

This is the original Welsh list above is from Natalia, the Ex COORD for Wales.

They are all still on my Front Page so that tells you how old they are. So yes it would be out of date, to be precise Nov 2016 when last updated.

I am sure Kelvin will update what you need. Unless you have someone else in mind

http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~bowbren/genealogy/Cymru__Wales.htm

http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~bowbren/genealogy/index.htm

Brenda

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[PatReynolds]

I have grabbed the html and saved it here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/15JXDzUvxN3GJehswph8vy_8jZiLzaoAR/view?usp=sharing

It needs: [a] re-writing to our standards (e.g. colours, fonts). [b] consultation with volunteers as to what else they have spotted / come across

[geoffj-FUG]

Pat Would it help if I included this info as another Appendix in the uopdate of the FreeCEN2 Manual? Geoff

[geoffj-FUG]

I am happy to add an additional appendix. Please send me the text to look at.

If there is anything that is technically out of date, such as we can now use accented letters in some fields and the change of language codes, then I will add it.

To play devil's advocate - this would appear to be a Gazetteer menu item but out action menu structure does not fit.

Geoff

[PatReynoldsFUG]

@PatReynoldsFUG to get in touch with Kelvin.

[PatReynoldsFUG]

Moving to Needs Review as I'm unsure what still needs to be done.

[DeniseColbert]

Pat to share draft with Kelvin and Chris for them to update and then create a PDF for the website

[PatReynoldsFUG]

As noted above I only have a csv file. I have sent you a link to it, Denise.

[DeniseColbert]

@PatReynoldsFUG to turn info on CSV into PDF for website.

[PatReynoldsFUG]

I have a note that I am to "look at different versions and choose one" - please provide links to / tell me where these are.

[DeniseColbert]

(look in inbox)

[PatReynoldsFUG]

Shared 30/4/2025

[PatReynoldsFUG]

Pat to send Geoff text re Welsh map sites to add to the Validator's handbook

[PatReynoldsFUG]

Pat waiting on Geoff and Kelvin to review text.

[PatReynoldsFUG]

Wrote to Mapio Cymru (via Facebook) asking if it is possible to get lat and long from their site - that only gives Postcode area.

Wrote first draft for the Validators and sent to Geoff and Kelvin. Began work on the Welsh Placenames Help for Researchers.

[geoffj-FUG]

Pat

The Gazetteer has latitude and longitude. 100% of entries have their latitude and longitude identified.

Lat and long are identified by the validator. Google the place name and county followed by the word coordinates displays the latitude and longitude for that place. There is 0.5% of places that this does not work for. Click on the place on Google maps and it is displayed and can be copied and pasted into the Gazetteer.

Geoff

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Wrote to Mapio Cymru (via Facebook) asking if it is possible to get lat and long from their site - that only gives Postcode area.

Wrote first draft for the Validators and sent to Geoff and Kelvin. Began work on the Welsh Placenames Help for Researchers.

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[PatReynoldsFUG]

Have updated the draft with some additional instructions about getting lat and long from Mapio Cymry - resent to Geoff and Kelvin 8 May

[DeniseColbert]

@geoffj-FUG to review

@PatReynoldsFUG to turn attention to researcher version

[Vino-S]

@PatReynoldsFUG to discuss with someone with Welsh knowledge @Geoff suggestion: Include Welsh chapman code

[DeniseColbert]

@geoffj-FUG to review email from Pat on this

[geoffj-FUG]

The welsh names for each of the historical counties has been added to the draft Appendix B together with the applicable Chapman Code. Geoff

[PatReynoldsFUG]

Thank you, Geoff. Have you added my text? Also, can you (with Kevin) finalise for public use?

[DeniseColbert]

Geoff has added the county names in Welsh to appendix B (CHP codes). Will be released in January in next Handbook update.