Closed AlOneill closed 7 years ago
Have a question about the preamble, which currently is:
"We are sorry that you feel the transcription may be in error. Please tell us why you believe we have misinterpreted the original record. We will adjust the record if, upon review of the original, we agree with your interpretation. Please be aware we do not adjust transcriptions based upon sources of information other than the original register."
@edickens @Captainkirkdawson @Sherlock21 : This seems to imply that we are not interested in correcting our typos in transcribing a transcript source. Is that the intention? (Perhaps "original register" does not mean what it seems to mean ...)
We get emails saying that something is wrong but not providing any
evidence other than they have seen it on Ancestry or FamilySearch.
So we do not accept any corrections without sight of an image of the
original register. Even Bishops transcripts can be wrong. E
On 17/12/2016 16:48, AlOneill wrote:
Have a question about the preamble, which currently is:
"We are sorry that you feel the transcription may be in error.
Please tell us why you believe we have misinterpreted the
original record. We will adjust the record if, upon review of
the original, we agree with your interpretation.
Please be aware we do not adjust transcriptions based
upon sources of information other than the original register."
@edickens @Captainkirkdawson @Sherlock21 :
This seems to imply that we are not interested in
correcting our typos in transcribing a
transcript source. Is that the intention? (Perhaps "original
register" does not mean what it seems to mean ...)
As usual you are correct. it likely should read, ..... original document we transcribed.
Kirk Dawson 5220 Riverside Drive Fairmont Hot Springs, B.C. V0B 1L1
On 17 December 2016 at 10:24, Eric Dickens notifications@github.com wrote:
We get emails saying that something is wrong but not providing any evidence other than they have seen it on Ancestry or FamilySearch. So we do not accept any corrections without sight of an image of the original register. Even Bishops transcripts can be wrong. E
On 17/12/2016 16:48, AlOneill wrote:
Have a question about the preamble, which currently is: "We are sorry that you feel the transcription may be in error. Please tell us why you believe we have misinterpreted the original record. We will adjust the record if, upon review of the original, we agree with your interpretation. Please be aware we do not adjust transcriptions based upon sources of information other than the original register." @edickens @Captainkirkdawson @Sherlock21 : This seems to imply that we are not interested in correcting our typos in transcribing a transcript source. Is that the intention? (Perhaps "original register" does not mean what it seems to mean ...)
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Thanks, Kirk. Here is my suggestion:
"Thank you for reporting a possible error in our transcription. If we agree with your interpretation of the original document we transcribed, we will change our record."
How about
Thank you for reporting a possible error in our transcription. We will change our record If we agree with your interpretation of the original document.
Kirk Dawson 5220 Riverside Drive Fairmont Hot Springs, B.C. V0B 1L1
On 19 December 2016 at 13:40, AlOneill notifications@github.com wrote:
Thanks, Kirk. Here is my suggestion:
"Thank you for reporting a possible error in our transcription. If we agree with your interpretation of the original document we transcribed, we will change our record."
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Fair enough to put the if-clause second, but think we need to retain the notion of the source of that particular transcription. "Original" turns out to be ambiguous, again! So:
"Thank you for reporting a possible error in our transcription. We will change our record if we agree with your interpretation of the source document we transcribed.
Good compromise
Kirk Dawson 5220 Riverside Drive Fairmont Hot Springs, B.C. V0B 1L1
On 19 December 2016 at 15:43, AlOneill notifications@github.com wrote:
Fair enough to put the if-clause second, but think we need to retain the notion of the source of that particular transcription. "Original" turns out to be ambiguous, again! So:
"Thank you for reporting a possible error in our transcription. We will change our record if we agree with your interpretation of the source document we transcribed.
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The only thing about this now is that it does not allow for the researcher to send an images of the original registration. Sometimes (quite often) we no longer have access to the register image, but it the researcher has seen it (they may have visited the RO or Church) and sent us a copy, we will accept that. So that is not "the source document we transcribed". Also, if we have uploaded someone else's transcription, or a BT, then the researcher may be sending us more accurate information. We accept that. E
On 19/12/2016 23:13, Kirk Dawson wrote:
Good compromise
Kirk Dawson 5220 Riverside Drive Fairmont Hot Springs, B.C. V0B 1L1
On 19 December 2016 at 15:43, AlOneill notifications@github.com wrote:
Fair enough to put the if-clause second, but think we need to retain the notion of the source of that particular transcription. "Original" turns out to be ambiguous, again! So:
"Thank you for reporting a possible error in our transcription. We will change our record if we agree with your interpretation of the source document we transcribed.
PS. The main point is that they need to provide evidence, and that evidence must be an original entry, not a transcription. E
On 20/12/2016 07:38, Eric Dickens-gmail wrote:
The only thing about this now is that it does not allow for the researcher to send an images of the original registration. Sometimes (quite often) we no longer have access to the register image, but it the researcher has seen it (they may have visited the RO or Church) and sent us a copy, we will accept that. So that is not "the source document we transcribed". Also, if we have uploaded someone else's transcription, or a BT, then the researcher may be sending us more accurate information. We accept that. E
On 19/12/2016 23:13, Kirk Dawson wrote:
Good compromise
Kirk Dawson 5220 Riverside Drive Fairmont Hot Springs, B.C. V0B 1L1
On 19 December 2016 at 15:43, AlOneill notifications@github.com wrote:
Fair enough to put the if-clause second, but think we need to retain the notion of the source of that particular transcription. "Original" turns out to be ambiguous, again! So:
"Thank you for reporting a possible error in our transcription. We will change our record if we agree with your interpretation of the source document we transcribed.
I think any change in our Transcription must not be based on a researcher's family knowledge or on a different document to that which we used as our source.
So I agree with Kirk's suggested text 3 items above here.
If we transcribe (correctly) the Bishop's Transcript (for example), but a researcher sends us an image of the PR, showing that an error crept into the BT, I think we should NOT ammend the BT transcription, but we should transcribe the PR, so that future researchers will be able to understand why others may include the 'wrong' data on their family tree. I think we have already decided that we will add notes if we don't have the image.
So the contact page should say something along the lines of: "Thank you for reporting a possible error in our transcription. We will change our record if we agree with your interpretation of the source document we transcribed. If you have access to a different document which has different evidence, please provide details so that we can attach a note to our transcription. We would be grateful if you could send us an image of the different document so that we may transcribe it.
@PatReynolds That seems eminently logical. How would it sit with the conditions described in http://www.freereg.org.uk/cms/information-for-transcribers/permission-to-transcribe
Those details are probably inappropriate for presenting to a Researcher -- but I would like to also update the Coord instructions for dealing with possible data errors so that everyone is clear what to do and how to respond in just such a situation.
Hmm.. add for Researchers: " We would be grateful if you could send us an image of the different document so that we may transcribe it. Please note, some Record Offices and some websites allow you to make copies only for personal use - if you made a copy of a document under such restriction, we cannot use it."
Alison Will there be any css changes or other changes for this page. All I seem to have at this time is the test change
Yes, there will be other changes: I have sorted out in html. Had a brief look at the erb file, but have not had a chance to do the work on it yet.
(Did not get notified of your prev comment. Have now restarted browser -- we shall see.)
When I submitted a Data Error Report with required fields not completed, I was surprised to get a Contact Us form returned.
Is this the expected behaviour??
Not sure I understand question.
The Data Error Report uses the Contact system in a specific manner with certain values preset
Kirk Dawson 5220 Riverside Drive Fairmont Hot Springs, B.C. V0B 1L1
On 3 January 2017 at 09:46, AlOneill notifications@github.com wrote:
When I submitted a Data Error Report with required fields not completed, I was surprised to get a Contact Us form returned.
Is this the expected behaviour??
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Cannot repeat to double-check -- getting a 503 message when I click on link from Record Detail page. The error messages for the form were returned on a "Contact Us" page, rather than a "Data Problem Report" page, and a quick look at the hidden fields showed little evidence that I was attempting to report a possible transcription error.
Could this explain why some users appear to use the wrong form when reporting a possible transcription error?
I have colobus out of service at this point working on trying to resolve 1049.
Kirk Dawson 5220 Riverside Drive Fairmont Hot Springs, B.C. V0B 1L1
On 3 January 2017 at 10:12, AlOneill notifications@github.com wrote:
Cannot repeat to double-check -- getting a 503 message when I click on link from Record Detail page. The error messages for the form were returned on a "Contact Us" page, rather than a "Data Problem Report" page, and a quick look at the hidden fields showed little evidence that I was attempting to report a possible transcription error.
Could this explain why some users appear to use the wrong form when reporting a possible transcription error?
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Deployed code changes from @AlOneill onto test3
Not mentioned specifically in Shaw Report, but form shares similar issues with other public forms.