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MyopicVicar (short-sighted clergyman!) is an open-source genealogy record database and search engine. It powers the FreeREG database of parish registers, the FreeCEN database of census records, the next version of FreeBMD database of Civil Registration indexes and other Genealogical applications.
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Test the updated application/Mongodb application #848

Closed Captainkirkdawson closed 8 years ago

Captainkirkdawson commented 8 years ago

Need to test updated application/Mongodb on test3 Initial set of known issues that do not work Download geo_near_distance search_queries/report? WinFreeReg

edickens commented 8 years ago 
Has Mike's problem accessing Test3 been solved because I don't want
to ask others to test it if there is an access problem?  E
Captainkirkdawson commented 8 years ago

Not yet I have only just got up

edickens commented 8 years ago 
Is the problem then just with the WinFreeREG interface?

Does the testing need to be to all Actions because of the change of
database packages?  If so I can ask them to test those and not
WinFreeREG for now.
Sherlock21 commented 8 years ago

testing T3 and intended to do edin a batcg online.

Logged on OK I got an unusually big collection of different a actions!

However: plod on and see where we get to.

Picked Manage Counties and WRY. got the usual Left hand side list.

went for Active places and got OOOPs Sorry again and failed.

Started again from a complete clear out . tried the ALL Places this time - same result.

wrote this first part of the note then cleared out the caches and everything and started

this time round I got my normal Actions at logon - have you chaged profiles in the last 2 minutes?

EB

On 2 Jul 2016, at 15:58, Kirk Dawson notifications@github.com wrote:

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Sherlock21 commented 8 years ago

more T3 testing

SNAG.

in my own list of Batches, the Info flags that were on top of the columns, to remind us of what the abreviations mean, have dropped off.

SNAG

there is now NO warning on DELETE the batch and even though the message comes back that its been deleted the batch does not drop out of the losing.

SNAG

DOWNLOAD does not function - it just crashes out with the OOOOps SORRY…. message.

OK:-

SHOW works and then those items off it. EDIT HEADERS works OK ERRORS i cant test as I have none handy! DM LOCK & UNLOCK seems ok but as they are my files I am never sure which takes priority. RELOAD/REPLACE batch: part 1 works if i try and upload the wrong file name - it rejects it. =part 2 Also appears to work OK if I pick the right file name its accepted for processing now of overnight -I picked NOW. But I have not got the expected email. But the Date of Upload has changed to today correctly.

SO conclusion of testing Batches listing and online processing from this listing.

Might try same form the Place/church/ files start point for another userID tomorrow,

enough for you to be getting on with here!

EB

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Captainkirkdawson commented 8 years ago

WRT have you changed profiles in the last 2 minutes? No

Sherlock21 commented 8 years ago

Then there seems to be another issue: why did I get one ( new, more extensive) profile for a couple of logon's and then on the third logon, I get my normal profile. All with my same one and only userid & PW?

Screen print of what was in each of the 2 Actions Lists at logon, we in emails direct to Kirk.

Closing down now. its bed time here.

Captainkirkdawson commented 8 years ago

Received no email attachments. (emails yes)

Captainkirkdawson commented 8 years ago

Fixed the Active and All; was an incorrect breadcrumb link

Captainkirkdawson commented 8 years ago

Will keep the known issues updated on the login page

Captainkirkdawson commented 8 years ago

Suggest you wait until Monday before testing again to give time to resolve current set of issues

Sherlock21 commented 8 years ago

As you advised me that you had fixed the All Places or Active places access, i had a look.

I don't like the style of repeating on every line, the Place name and the Church name. If its a slight snag that this has changed, please take on board.

If this is an intended change however, then I find it is much easier to scan down a list only looking for the "Next" place or church, with the duplicated being omitted Please change it back.

edickens commented 8 years ago 
Hi EricB,

We have had people say that they did not like the ditto marks,
perhaps hence the change.  I agree with your suggestion.

But it does raise the question as to how we make changes.  We must
not react to the opinions of a vocal few.  However, I don't know how
we get a majority opinion.  Perhaps we need to just leave things as
they are for now, because we have a lot more programming to do,
instead of spending time reacting to opinions.

This is a general policy comment and I would not want to stop you
giving your opinion, but we need to manage change better.

Cheers

EricD
Sherlock21 commented 8 years ago

morning, EricD

But I never get any ditto marks on my view! the duplicate names were omitted like they woudl be in any schedule!

So is that a feature of using a tablet or a smart phone? - both no good for using by me or by most CC’s I would have thought.

I would consider that ALL my effort on FR is based around the use of this start point - either the All Places or the Active places list, for ALL Counties And I was not consulted - which miffs me a bit.

I have seen a request by someone - cant remember who - to get rid of ditto marks - but as i never see them, it meant nothing to me. Perhaps their action should have been to use a device that did not create ditto marks out of nothing.

? tail wagging the dog again?

As it is, this will drive me nuts.

Eric B On 3 Jul 2016, at 10:11, Eric Dickens notifications@github.com wrote:

Hi EricB,

We have had people say that they did not like the ditto marks, perhaps hence the change. I agree with your suggestion.

But it does raise the question as to how we make changes. We must not react to the opinions of a vocal few. However, I don't know how we get a majority opinion. Perhaps we need to just leave things as they are for now, because we have a lot more programming to do, instead of spending time reacting to opinions.

This is a general policy comment and I would not want to stop you giving your opinion, but we need to manage change better.

Cheers

EricD

Eric J Dickens FreeREG Chairman On 03/07/2016 09:59, Sherlock21 wrote:

As you advised me that you had fixed the All Places or Active places access, i had a look. I don't like the style of repeating on every line, the Place name and the Church name. If its a slight snag that this has changed, please take on board. If this is an intended change however, then I find it is much easier to scan down a list only looking for the "Next" place or church, with the duplicated being omitted Please change it back.

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Sherlock21 commented 8 years ago

Eric D

screen print off T2 for WRY/ KIPPAX and LEEDS with just blank. no ditto makks in sight.

EB

On 3 Jul 2016, at 10:11, Eric Dickens notifications@github.com wrote:

Hi EricB,

We have had people say that they did not like the ditto marks, perhaps hence the change. I agree with your suggestion.

But it does raise the question as to how we make changes. We must not react to the opinions of a vocal few. However, I don't know how we get a majority opinion. Perhaps we need to just leave things as they are for now, because we have a lot more programming to do, instead of spending time reacting to opinions.

This is a general policy comment and I would not want to stop you giving your opinion, but we need to manage change better.

Cheers

EricD

Eric J Dickens FreeREG Chairman On 03/07/2016 09:59, Sherlock21 wrote:

As you advised me that you had fixed the All Places or Active places access, i had a look. I don't like the style of repeating on every line, the Place name and the Church name. If its a slight snag that this has changed, please take on board. If this is an intended change however, then I find it is much easier to scan down a list only looking for the "Next" place or church, with the duplicated being omitted Please change it back.

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Captainkirkdawson commented 8 years ago

There was a formal consultation with the user community on the Transcription pages where ditto marks were used instead of the blank in the Places . (The same code is used in both the public and private displays) That consultation said people preferred to have the Place and Church names repeated. The display was adjusted accordingly.

Personally I prefer the tables without the repetition of the place and church names; it is much easier to see changes which is why I originally wrote it the way I did. But it appears that researchers do not.

As stated above it is the same code for both private and public display of our data. Duplication of the code is not a good idea from management perspectives. Code could be added to check who is displaying the table and react accordingly.

However is this just the view of Ericb and myself????? what do the coordinators think????

edickens commented 8 years ago

I think the problem is that people do not take time to get used to a change. When we first launched FR2 there were lots of complaints about the layout and the colour. I also think it has a lot to do with giving time to be sure that we have the right solution. Ideas like this should be logged and included in future versions so that we can move on.

Sherlock21 commented 8 years ago

Having just been pointed to the place where these ditto marks are used, i see no problem with them there, in the listing of churches and registers for a place ( looking at what FR production looks like.) So I would not have supported swapping the ditto marks for full names neither here in transcription lists nor all over the other listings where the duplicates have now been shown in full in T3.

I think Kirk had it right the first time. Now this "Fix " makes the application unusable by those who have to use the much bigger places & churches lists all the time.

I can see why Kirk does not want to have virtually the same code in 2 different places, but the present solution to a moan by some, about ditto marks, is not the right reaction.

What were the statistics of the User survey that was carried out please? was it done on Github or my individual emails. - not all CC's have Github access

If Kirk & myself are the only ones who are upset about it, then I suppose there are always 2 solutions open to us.