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7 years ago Telegram chat about this issue:
[6:42:50 AM] Bob Haugen: @zumbrunn look at https://github.com/FreedomCoop/valuenetwork/issues/230
[7:51:11 AM] Chris Zumbrunn: I think the easy way to do this is to account for the use of the space and the contribution for being able to use the space separately The tallying up of the two doesn't need to be completely solved in OCP
[7:53:02 AM] Bob Haugen: Which part do you want to handle in OCP?
[7:53:23 AM] Chris Zumbrunn: For example, that not more than four days per month are used can be tallied by the "concierge"
[7:53:39 AM] Bob Haugen: Agreed
[7:54:09 AM] Chris Zumbrunn: But the total number of days should be tracked in OCP
[7:54:27 AM] Bob Haugen: Total number of days used?
[7:54:38 AM] Chris Zumbrunn: Yes
[7:54:54 AM] Bob Haugen: As well as the contribution?
[7:54:59 AM] Chris Zumbrunn: Or the days used, anyway Yes And the two can be separate exchanges
[7:55:52 AM] Bob Haugen: That was "yes" to tallying the contribution?
[7:56:10 AM] Chris Zumbrunn: Yes :-)
[7:56:52 AM] Chris Zumbrunn: But the contribution and the usage do not need to be directly linked in OCP
[7:57:19 AM] Bob Haugen: Easiest way for that mighjt be in the same exchange
[7:58:04 AM] Chris Zumbrunn: Both gives totals in days over any period, which can be compared in value equations later perhaps
Bob Haugen Easiest way for that mighjt be in the same exchange Really? I was thinking the opposite
[7:58:40 AM] Bob Haugen:
Chris Zumbrunn Really? thinking off the top of my head, might be wrong Needs to be worked thru in detail.
[7:59:10 AM] Chris Zumbrunn: They are independent events Some one might even contribute without using
[7:59:52 AM] Bob Haugen:
Chris Zumbrunn They are independent events Not really, if the days used was permitted by the room rent package. Or is the room rent package fictitious, and the contribution is after the use?
[8:01:09 AM] Chris Zumbrunn: Usually that would be "prepaid"
[8:01:21 AM] Bob Haugen: that's what I thought which means, not so independent
[8:01:57 AM] Chris Zumbrunn: Because otherwise it should be the normal daily rate that applies But doing it after the fact sometimes might happen, specially at the beginning Independent in the sense that they are two events
[8:03:12 AM] Bob Haugen: yeah, but not independent events
[8:03:31 AM] Chris Zumbrunn: Yep, linked to each other But the link could be handled by the concierge
[8:04:26 AM] Bob Haugen: exchanges link events in OCP or the concierge could do it offline
[8:04:59 AM] Chris Zumbrunn: Yeah, and in that sense I think they are not linked
[8:05:10 AM] Bob Haugen: not everything needs to be on the computer/
[8:05:58 AM] Chris Zumbrunn: The exchange ist that a contribution is received in exchange for the membership package Not in exchange for specific days stayed
[8:06:14 AM] Bob Haugen: yes understood but the days are covered by the membership package so one question is, do you want to log the days used in OCP? or, offline?
[8:07:34 AM] Chris Zumbrunn: In OCP
[8:08:07 AM] Bob Haugen: In that case, if they are entered with the exchange for the memebrship package, they wd be linked I mean, entered after the package, but in the same exchange context.
[8:08:30 AM] Chris Zumbrunn: Well, the concierge could compare days stayed to days booked
[8:08:53 AM] Bob Haugen: "days booked" = membership package? By the way, I don't really care how you do it, I'm just thinking of what we got in OCP that might do it all without software changes cd be done by the concierge comparing them by eyeball
[8:12:10 AM] Lynn Foster: if in the initial exchange, you created the membership package as a commitment, you could log the actual days stayed as transfers against that commitment.... I'm also mostly thinking about how it could work the easiest, not necessarily the "correct" resources at play membership package would = 4 days or something
[8:18:56 AM] Chris Zumbrunn:
Bob Haugen "days booked" = membership package? Yes The part that is difficult to track in OCP is the "per time period" limits
[8:21:31 AM] Lynn Foster: yes true you'd have to manually look at the dates when entering a day stayed
[8:23:41 AM] Chris Zumbrunn: But then it's eyeballs involved Or brain cells :-)
[8:24:22 AM] Bob Haugen: To compare the dates, yes.
[8:24:56 AM] Lynn Foster: yup - could be a feature to be added to have the software know the time limits of a commitment, and check when the events are entered.... code change of course
[8:25:16 AM] Bob Haugen: The quantities could be compared by the software more easily.
[8:25:47 AM] Lynn Foster: quantities and dates comparison could be something others would want, i don't know
[8:25:58 AM] Bob Haugen: Also, most of the info in OCP can be exported to spreadsheets/ If not, it's easy to add another export.
[8:28:45 AM] Lynn Foster: i think it would be good to get some experience with it first, if you can work with the gaps
This came up in https://github.com/FreedomCoop/valuenetwork/issues/222#issuecomment-285509237
I was trying an exchange for Monthly living space: https://testocp.freedomcoop.eu/accounting/resource-type/53/ using this ExchangeType: https://testocp.freedomcoop.eu/accounting/change-exchange-type/43/
Monthly living space is a package of rights, not a material resource. Gets you 4 days per month, including coffee and tea, but not meals. The 4 days are not specified, and must be negotiated. It's based on a conversation with Chris Zumbrunn of Decentrale, about how they handle room rent.
I'm not sure it makes sense to inventory these things, and so an exchange would not transfer an identified resource, just the resource type. (I think. Needs more discussion.) @fosterlynn @bum2