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@robohall, @rBatt, @lawinslow - question for you all: Is the relevant temperature for calculating u
the air temperature or the water temperature? If it's air temperature, when is the water temperature a sufficient proxy, and when should we use something else? If something else, what? (The u
equation appears to be a version of the Antoine equation for vapor pressure of water - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vapour_pressure_of_water. I suspect that this equation assumes equal temperatures of air and water, but we probably don't have that in real aquatic systems)
My initial thought is that with all that original work, it was the temperature of the whole system of water and air. They likely didn't make a distinction. Real world is far from the lab ideal where these equations were parameterized, but if I had to guess, water temperature is far more indicative due to water's high density and thus it would dominate the temperature of the immediate air-water boundary.
I'd be curious what others thought. @jzwart
I think you are right; water will control air temp at the air water boundary, so water temp it is.
I agree with this formulation for pressure corrected sat:
u = 10 ^ (8.10765 - 1750.286 / (235 + t)) # t is temperature in degrees C, log appears to be log10 DO' = DO * (P'*0.750061683 - u) / (760 - u) # 0.750061683 mmHg/mb
On Aug 28, 2015, at 10:36 AM, Luke Winslow notifications@github.com<mailto:notifications@github.com> wrote:
My initial thought is that with all that original work, it was the temperature of the whole system of water and air. They likely didn't make a distinction. Real world is far from the lab ideal where these equations were parameterized, but if I had to guess, water temperature is far more indicative due to water's high density and thus it would dominate the temperature of the immediate air-water boundary.
I'd be curious what others thought. @jzwarthttps://github.com/jzwart
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Thanks - I'll use water temperature in my PR.
The literature gives a few ways to correct O2.sat for barometric pressure. In general, these follow the form:
where the form of press.cor is what varies. Staehr et al. 2010 cite USGS memos #81.11 and #81.15 (both 1981) for these two options:
while USGS memo #81.11 1981 and #81.15 1981 (http://water.usgs.gov/admin/memo/QW/qw81.11.html, http://water.usgs.gov/admin/memo/QW/qw81.15.html) give the following equations, where
I started this conversation by email and received endorsement for the USGS #81.11 option from @robohall yesterday.
If P' is in millibars (whereas P was in mmHg), the USGS #81.11 option becomes
Using this modification, I can come close but cannot fully recover the Staehr et al. form from the USGS #81.11 by algebra. Here's the closest I get:
For values of t from 0 to 40 degrees C,
0.1316*u
ranges from 0.60 to 7.28, suggesting to me that0.1316*u
cannot plausibly be replaced by 0 in the denominator or by 0.0112 in the numerator.For the pressure-based correction in
o2.at.sat.base()
, I therefore recommend a switch from the Staehr et al. 2010 form to these equations:If it sounds good to you LakeMetabolizer authors, I can include these changes, with help file notes, in a pull request today.