Simulating the GH strum logic

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Most of friends of mine can't play fofix whit me whereas they are really
good at guitar hero.
The said me that the timing was completely different and unplayable.

Are there some settings to recreate the perfect guitar hero timing ?

PS: the problem shows up when they want to press fret and pick at the same
time, they miss the note every time.
I noticed that too, but i always press the fret in advance and only strum
at the good moment, so i don't have this issue.

I use the last svn revision and this issue has always existed.
I'm just wondering if there is a some tweaks to fix it or improve it.

Original issue reported on code.google.com by fablac...@gmail.com on 1 Aug 2009 at 12:29

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I'm pretty sure it is because FoFiX registers the note as hit if the fret(s) 
are 
held down at the time you pick, but not the other way around.

A fix for this would be if there are no frets held down at the time of 
strumming/picking, the game will wait a slight bit (fraction of a second) for 
them 
to be pressed down.

I don't know if the game already does this or not.

Original comment by mrhappen...@gmail.com on 2 Aug 2009 at 1:15

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Well i don't know but it's quite annoying.

Hope someone could fix that inorder to simulate the perfect GH gameplay.

Original comment by fablac...@gmail.com on 2 Aug 2009 at 7:46

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As MFH replied on the forum, it seems that fofix requires the fret to be pressed
before the strum and not at the same time or even a little after like in GH/RB.

The aim of this issue is to emulate this logic, in order to be closer from the
commercial games.

Original comment by fablac...@gmail.com on 2 Aug 2009 at 4:47

• Changed title: Simulating the GH strum logic
• Added labels: Type-Enhancement
• Removed labels: Type-MinorDefect

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Original comment by fablac...@gmail.com on 2 Aug 2009 at 4:49

• Added labels: Milestone-Release-4.0.0

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I also noticed that even in GH or RB neck speed is a lot slower, even in expert.
(same song in RB for example). And hitwindow in HO-POs is also strange... maybe 
fofix
is too permissive, while for ordinary notes "standard" it's too easy and "tight"
maybe too difficult. I think that optimizing gameplay should be the main goal of
4.0.0 release.

Original comment by gres...@gmail.com on 25 Aug 2009 at 9:46

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The way GH/RB seem to work is having a different hit window for notes and 
HOPOs. In
FoF the equivalent for GH3, would be change note window to standard and HOPOs to
wide. That's what it seems to be. I can't comment on RB or the newer GH releases
though. Neck speed is definitely a lot slower compared to standard FoF, but the 
user
can change that if they want to so the point is moot.

Original comment by evilbobt...@gmail.com on 25 Aug 2009 at 10:52

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RB is much more tight than GH3 or WT, but easier than GH1. About GH3 I find it 
more
or less like fofix set to normal hitwindow, but ho-pos are more difficult than 
fof.
BTW I know I can set neck speed, but using Diff&BPM (as real games) it's too 
fast.
It's only a matter of some variable set too high.

Original comment by gres...@gmail.com on 25 Aug 2009 at 11:44

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Well, you can still use the Percent Board Speed to scale the speed back if you 
wish.
I like to speed it up ;) but if you want a speed more similar to the games then
80-90% seems good.

Original comment by evilbobt...@gmail.com on 25 Aug 2009 at 11:59

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In fact 80% is nearly the right value. But in this way I lose VBPM and I like 
it so
much... :)

Original comment by gres...@gmail.com on 25 Aug 2009 at 12:02

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No, what I mean is you can use the Percent Board speed at the _same time_ as the
Diff&BPM. It simply scales the speed instead of setting it at one value.

Original comment by evilbobt...@gmail.com on 25 Aug 2009 at 12:26

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Ahh.... I've always believed that that value was active only for speed set to
"percentage" and not in addiction to diff&bpm... Thx I'll try!!

Original comment by gres...@gmail.com on 25 Aug 2009 at 1:01

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The percentage is always applied; "Percentage" speed mode is actually 
"Percentage-
Only" mode, but there wasn't enough room. 

Would "%-Only" be a valid menu string?  I never tried it, may make more sense 
for the 
menus.

However, "Percentage-Only" mode involves fewer calculations in realtime than 
any of 
the other neck speed modes, especially when set to 100%.  Just FYI, in case 
absolute 
game performance is your main concern.

Original comment by chris.paiano@gmail.com on 27 Aug 2009 at 1:56

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why don't insert info about neck speed, hopo and hit windows in song.ini and/or 
in
library.ini to allow set those values as the original games of every songs?

PS:sorry for my bad english.

Original comment by gug...@gmail.com on 3 Nov 2009 at 10:21

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1. Since song type can be determined by looking at the MIDI itself, info in the
song.ini for that stuff would be redundant.
2. Seems like a lot of trouble anyway.

Original comment by MofoMan2...@gmail.com on 5 Nov 2009 at 7:38

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If you take a closer look, FoFiX doesn't handle strummed hopos and GH and RB do.
FoFiX gives a certain number of hopos on a sequence. If you "tap" the hopo, it 
will
mark it as a note that has been hit. BUT if you strum after having tapped, it 
will
register it as a failed strum (as strumming an empty section).

I hope you understand me, this is very common on my GH80s songs, specially Play 
With
Me when hopos are set to "GH2, Most" and hitwindow is Normal.

Original comment by soza...@gmail.com on 26 Nov 2009 at 9:22

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There is another difference between GH series and FoFiX i don't see talk about.
GH always hit a note if you strum (or tap) when the note on screen is between 
the 
line of frets buttons and the bottom of monitor.
FoFiX hit a note if you strum (or tap) in a time window centered to the exact 
time 
of a note. For songs with a lot of BPM at expert difficulty i can hit notes a 
lot 
before the line of frets button and sometimes i hit notes out of screen.
The setting of fretboard speed BPM+Difficult seem the nearest to GH's, but GH 
don't 
use time windows and at higher difficults FoFiX is easier while at lower 
difficult 
GH is easier.

PS: I hope you understand what i wrote, i talk a bad english.

Original comment by gug...@gmail.com on 12 Feb 2010 at 12:34