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Engaging with external bodies and campaigns, commenting on existing or proposed policy related to green software as well as creating our own policy proposals.
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2024 06 24 #85

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seanmcilroy29 commented 4 months ago

2024 06 24

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Agenda

Discussions

Sustainable Foundation LF Foundation Round Table Proposal - Sean

AOB

Next meeting

Adjourn

Previous meeting AI'

mrchrisadams commented 4 months ago

Attended

seanmcilroy29 commented 4 months ago

MoM - Chris opens the meeting at 1630 BST

Sustainable software development and policy. Chris Adams introduced himself and others in the meeting, including Brooke. They discussed the work done at the Green Web Foundation in policy and sustainability, based in Berlin, Germany. Miko, the founder and CTO of Rethink, talked about the company’s platform designed to help reduce carbon emissions, as well as their support for the Green Software Foundation.

Policy manual process, BCS, and sustainability foundation. Brooke Bell and Tim Swanson discussed policy work in Washington, D.C. and London, respectively. Sean discussed the agenda for the Linux Foundation meeting, antitrust policy, and the recording of meetings. Sean also provided updates on the Sustainability Foundation LF roundtable and the policy manual process. Sean proposed changing GSF’s working structure to focus more on standards and policy working groups with additional resources. The discussion also covered reviewing the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) and the Collaborate Session, but no specific action items were identified for today.

Inviting Alex back to discuss carbon intensity and emissions reduction. Chris agrees with Lisa on the clarity of duck notes and sees potential for BCS to adopt tools for carbon intensity reduction. Sean suggests inviting Alex back for a meeting on the eighth of July to discuss the proposal. Chris recommends pushing back the decision to invite Alex until after the summer holidays.

Creating a policy radar document for a nonprofit organization. Chris suggests using an existing policy radar document from another company. Chris also proposes creating a manual for horizon scanning and sharing examples of successful internal initiatives to inform the project. NTT’s internal team working on this project may serve as a reference example for other members despite potential restrictions on tools used

Certification for software development processes and tools. Namrata discussed the potential for a new member organization, with Microsoft mentioned as a possibility. Namrata proposes certification for software tools, sparking debate.

Certification process for sustainable software. Chris recommends that the JSF should claim ownership of the term “SCI” to prevent misuse. Sean explains that the certification process for “sei” is complex and has specific criteria. Sean discusses the JSF certification process, highlighting its rigorous methodology and consensus-based organization. Sean and Tim talk about the potential for certification to be contentious, with members having the opportunity to review and provide input.

Sustainability initiatives within the Linux Foundation. Sean aims to facilitate collaboration among GSF working groups on sustainability initiatives. Sean plans to hold quarterly meetings with representatives from each working group to share knowledge and resources. Sean proposes dedicating more resources to policy and standards working groups to develop industry standards for AI. Chris requests access to a GitHub repo with the presentation being shared tomorrow. Sean wants policy working groups to become more influential in GSF and have inroads into legislation.

Policy working group and its role in GSF. Tim and Sean are discussing concerns about the possibility of the JSF becoming too influenced by politics, which could diminish its value to members. Sean is worried about the organisation's internal processes and the balance between contributing to and benefiting from the policy working group. Chris is in favour of having additional resources to better organize policy discussions. The steering committee will need to approve policies that could impact other areas within the GSF.

Action Items

muemich commented 4 months ago

Attended

muemich commented 4 months ago

Tim and Brooke attended

mrchrisadams commented 4 months ago

Automagically created summary from the zoom call:

Sustainable software development and policy.
Chris Adams introduced himself and others in the meeting, including Brooke. They discussed the work done at the Green Web Foundation in policy and sustainability, based in Berlin, Germany. Miko, the founder and CTO of Rethink, talked about the company’s platform designed to help reduce carbon emissions, as well as their support for the Green Software Foundation.

Policy manual process, BCS, and sustainability foundation.
Brooke Bell and Tim Swanson talked about policy work in Washington, D.C. and London, respectively. Sean discussed the agenda for the Linux Foundation meeting, antitrust policy, and the recording of meetings. Sean also provided updates on the Sustainability Foundation LF roundtable and the policy manual process. Sean proposed changing GSF’s working structure to focus more on standards and policy working groups with additional resources. The discussion also covered reviewing the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) and the Collaborate Session, but no specific action items were identified for today.

Inviting Alex back to discuss carbon intensity and emissions reduction.
Chris agrees with Lisa on the clarity of duck notes, sees potential for BCS to adopt tool for carbon intensity reduction. Sean suggests inviting Alex back for a meeting on the eighth of July to discuss the proposal. Chris recommends pushing back the decision to invite Alex until after the summer holidays.

Creating a policy radar document for a nonprofit organization.
Chris suggests using an existing policy radar document from another company. Chris also proposes creating a manual for horizon scanning and sharing examples of successful internal initiatives to inform the project. NTT’s internal team working on this project may serve as a reference example for other members, despite potential restrictions on tools usedCertification for software development processes and tools.
Namrata discuss potential for a new member organization, with Microsoft mentioned as a possibility. Namrata proposes certification for software tools, sparking debate.

Certification process for sustainable software.
Chris recommends that the JSF should claim ownership of the term “SCI” in order to prevent misuse. Sean explains that the certification process for “sei” is complex and has specific criteria. Sean discusses the JSF certification process, highlighting its rigorous methodology and consensus-based organization. Sean and Tim talk about the potential for certification to be contentious, with members having the opportunity to review and provide input.

Sustainability initiatives within the Linux Foundation.
Sean aims to facilitate collaboration among GSF working groups on sustainability initiatives. Sean plans to hold quarterly meetings with representatives from each working group to share knowledge and resources. Sean proposes dedicating more resources to policy and standards working groups to develop industry standards for AI. Chris requests access to a GitHub repo with the presentation being shared tomorrow. Sean wants policy working groups to become more influential in GSF and have inroads into legislation.

Policy working group and its role in GSF.
Tim and Sean are discussing concerns about the possibility of the JSF becoming too influenced by politics, which could diminish its value to members. Sean is worried about the internal processes of the organisation and the balance between contributing to and benefiting from the policy working group. Chris is in favour of having additional resources to better organize policy discussions. The steering committee will need to approve policies that could have an impact on other areas within the GSF.


Action Items
[ ] Contact BCS to schedule a follow-up meeting on MOU for August 5th.
[ ] Investigate existing policy radar frameworks for potential adoption.
[ ] Circulate presentation on proposed GSF reorganisation to working group members for feedback.
[ ] Schedule cross-working group collaboration discussions between GSF and other Linux Foundation sustainability projects.
[ ] Clarify the scope and goals of potential certification for Software Carbon Intensity estimates.