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frigates and corvettes #47

Closed Novaras closed 6 years ago

Novaras commented 6 years ago

I'm currently tweaking assaults again, and I don't know how I feel about this MU anymore.

Currently I've narrowed the heavy vette / assault frigate matchup to an almost 50/50 in an unmicroed fight... however with basic kiting micro the assaults with without a single loss.

So I'm wondering if heavies should win an unmicroed fight every time? Or not? Is there another angle I didn't consider? I can imagine corvettes pushing frigates off an RU patch and turning to gun the colls down, but I can also imagine the frigate player hardly caring since they didn't just throw thousands of rus down the drain and all their units are still alive ready to be healed up....

Right now you could compare this to frigates against destroyers; it takes around 6-7 HMFs to down a DD, and they do this well. However a kiting DD, especially if its partnered up, will perform significantly better... So I'm thinking corvettes should have the same type of matchup?

cloaked2222 commented 6 years ago

Test b7, then test current wip (no micro), and share the results here to compare to the below.

For reference: hw2c full upgrade results, no micro: 56 Laser Corvettes vs 14 Torpedo Frigates = 6 Torps 102sec (this was the 'bible')

I believe these were the targets for 2.0, but they were tweaked a bit more for 2.205/2.3. The design was laser>heavy>pulsar here. 56 Laser Corvettes vs 14 Torpedo Frigates = 6 torps 42 Heavy Corvettes vs 14 Torpedo Frigates = 8 torp 42 Pulsar Corvettes vs 14 Torpedo Frigates = 9 torp 56 Laser Corvettes vs 14 hw1 Assault Frigates = 5 frigs 42 Heavy Corvettes vs 14 hw1 Assault Frigates = 7 frigs 42 Pulsar Corvettes vs 14 hw1 Assault Frigates = 8 frigs

Micro obviously makes frigs much better which is fine.

cloaked2222 commented 6 years ago

My next commit aligns with the targets above, only lasers are doing better vs assault frigates now for some reason. I kinda like it though, since vay corvs felt kinda silly when GWs come into play.

Its rare to spam 14 torps/assaults, generally the most you get are 8, and typically more like 4-6. These matchup's lean towards frigs, as torps/assults allow a player to stabilize if the dice roll unfavorably and you lose swarm hard. Generally mid game, there's going to be ions/dds around that prevent players from getting so many torps/assaults. Corvettes advantage over these units are their speed and mobility, they're desirable units to harass RU ops, ions, carriers, etc. Torps/Assaults are mainly for defense vs corvs, or ru harassment.