New Quest: For which sport is this guidepost intended? (information=guidepost/route_marker)

[mcliquid]

Reference: https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/4758 And: https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/5208

General

Affected tag(s) to be modified/added: The common and established tags for sports (like hiking, bicycle, ski, ... Question asked: For which sport is this guidepost intended? The goal is to determine the particular sport(s) for a guidepost or routemarker.

Checklist

Checklist for quest suggestions (see guidelines):

• [x] 🚧 To be added tag is established and has a useful purpose
• [ ] 🤔 Any answer the user can give must have an equivalent tagging (Quest should not reappear to other users when solved by one)
• [x] 🐿️ Easily answerable by any pedestrian from the outside but a survey is necessary
• [x] 💤 Not an overwhelming percentage of quests have the same answer (No spam)
• [x] 🕓 Applies to a reasonable number of map data (Worth the effort)

Data from Jan 18: Number of matched nodes in Austria: 14310 Number of matched nodes in Germany: 37408 Number of matched nodes in Switzerland: 7956 Number of matched nodes in United States: 10388

Overpass-Link: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1qhA

Ideas for implementation

Element selection:

nodes and 
["tourism"="information"] and
["information"="guidepost"] or ["information"="route_marker"] and
[!"hiking|bicycle|mtb|climbing|horse|nording_walking|ski|inline_skates|running"] and
[!"disused"][!"guidepost"]

There are certainly more sports to filter. Here are the ones that are known to me so far. Please comment if I've missed one!

Concerns:

• It often happens that there are several signs for different sports hanging on a pole. Since the ref=* is usually also different, I have preferred to enter the nodes separately. This would not be possible in the Quest. A multiple selection would then have to be stored using a semicolon.
• There are different ways to tag the sport. Either with "hiking=yes" or "guidepost=hiking" or "guidepost:hiking=yes". Based on an evaluation of taginfo, the first one in the list is the most used.
• There is no "no" answer. But from my point of view, each signpost has a specific sport (at least from my regional experience). If the user can not say it it definitely needs a "can't say" answer option if it is not answerable to the user.
• If there is no specific sport displayed on the guidepost, there is guidepost=simple in the wiki: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aguidepost%3Dsimple

Proposed UI:

• Simple image selection or icon selection as in the recycling quest.
• You should be able to specify "This is a routemarker" as an alternative answer. This answer is more for experienced users, but it makes the usability easier and the effort is manageable.

** Possible Quest Filter

nodes with
          tourism = information
          and (information ~ guidepost|route_marker|map)
          and (!guidepost and !disused
          and (
                    !hiking or !bicycle or !mtb or !climbing or !horse or !nording_walking or! ski or !inline_skates or !running
          )

[mcliquid]

@qugebert Would be awesome to have this quest if you have time!

[jonpsp]

I think I would prefer to use "activity" rather than "sport". I do not do any form of sport, but I do use these signs when walking or cycling.

[mcliquid]

A generic question possibility would be: "What is this signpost about?"

[qugebert]

Maybe for maps too? At least in my area, most maps also display hiking/biking routes.

[mcliquid]

I agree, I've added a proposal quest filter in the first post.

[Helium314]

It often happens that there are several signs for different sports hanging on a pole. Since the ref=* is usually also different, I have preferred to enter the nodes separately. This would not be possible in the Quest. A multiple selection would then have to be stored using a semicolon.

Since the quest is not about ref I think it's fine. When someone wants to add a ref (using a different editor), they can still split the guidepost into multiple nodes.

There are different ways to tag the sport. Either with "hiking=yes" or "guidepost=hiking" or "guidepost:hiking=yes". Based on an evaluation of taginfo, the first one in the list is the most used.

And this is by a huge margin, so I agree on using <sport>=yes

If the user can not say it it definitely needs a "can't say" answer option if it is not answerable to the user.

While it's preferable, I don't think this is absolutely necessary. The quest could be added without such option, and maybe it can be added later based on user feedback (if it occurs to frequently).

Simple image selection or icon selection as in the recycling quest.

A simple text selection like for the seating quest would be fine too.

[mcliquid]

Okay, here is super rough mockup how I imagine the Quest. A simple text selection would also work. Finding harmonious, matching icons for each sport is really a pain.

[qugebert]

I guess simple text selection won't work, as it's single choice but some guideposts are for multiple activities

[mnalis]

Yes, I too think it should be multiple-answer (like in e.g. recycling quest). For example, some routes (and their signposts) are for both cycling and hiking (or might have different summer/winter purposes)

[mcliquid]

I guess simple text selection won't work, as it's single choice but some guideposts are for multiple activities

My mockup is a modified view of the recycling quest, there you can select multiple icons, that's not a problem.

[qugebert]

Okay, here is super rough mockup how I imagine the Quest. A simple text selection would also work. Finding harmonious, matching icons for each sport is really a pain.

So are these icons available in a compatible license? If so, could you please send me these? This would make it much easier for me :)

[mcliquid]

So are these icons available in a compatible license? If so, could you please send me these? This would make it much easier for me

They are all from https://www.svgrepo.com and mostly CC0. The hiker for example: https://www.svgrepo.com/svg/251868/hiker-walk or the Walker: https://www.svgrepo.com/svg/400892/walking (I've faked him some sticks).

Another possible variant would be to take the smoothness UI and add pictures from wikimedia. Hiking for example: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Discovery_Hiker_(5301834691).jpg or Nordic Walking: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Nordic_Walking_is_enjoyed_by_all.jpg

Or taking Unicode Emojis like https://emojipedia.org/hiking-boot

[Helium314]

I guess simple text selection won't work, as it's single choice but some guideposts are for multiple activities

Making a form that allows multiple selections should be simple. But the recycling-UI based version already looks really good in my opinion.

I'm somewhat opposed to adding photos when it's not necessary. Images already take more than 50% of the APK size, that fraction will likely increase anyway.

[mnalis]

If there is no specific sport displayed on the guidepost, there is guidepost=simple in the wiki: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aguidepost%3Dsimple

Would that be provided as a regular answer (with what picture? questionmark icon?) or as other answer?

[mcliquid]

Would that be provided as a regular answer (with what picture? questionmark icon?) or as other answer?

We must realistically say that no matter where this answer is placed, it will be the answer for all those who do not know what to fill in. Probably not in the SCEE context, but who knows. There is a simple "to the citycenter" sign: It's not really "hiking" nor "bicycle" related - than it's simple. You now the crazy coloured "world guideposts" which guides you 5248km to Paris, 8475km to Capetown and so on? --> simple There's just a big guidepost with "ENTRANCE" and an arrow --> simple

For this reason, I personally would rather put it under Other Answer.

[mcliquid]

@qugebert Did you already started here with something? Otherwise I would start this week with an draft :)

[qugebert]

No, nothing done yet.