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Which fork do you recommend then? Where is the project page, the list of commits that introduce value, a community of happy users that will confirm the quality of the project?
@paboum don't pay attention to the troll ;) they've been spreading FUD around zeronet-conservancy
for a while now . you can easily read its redme and compare commits to any other fork and see their post is just a badly put together collection of blatant lies
@caryoscelus You con artist, prove me wrong.
Show me what significant changes you made to ZeroNet other than replacing the donation addresses.
I've seen several forks that are far superior, and the developers of those forks have been working on ZeroNet for many years. Some of them aren't even on GitHub.
You even claimed to be the first to add Tor v3 support, which is completely false; the forks I saw in 2020 already had Tor v3, even before zeronet-enhanced! You're nothing more than a liar and a dirty con artist!
@paboum Until I figure out how to contact the other developer(s), you can use zeronet-enhanced.
Ps.: I'm sure these two have planned to come here and troll on the same day.
Show me what significant changes you made to ZeroNet other than replacing the donation addresses.
read changelog
You even claimed to be the first to add Tor v3 support
you're either delusional and obsessed with my fork for some reason or a blatant propagandist and liar. anyway, thanks for promoting my fork! :D to be a little formal here: please provide a link where i make such a claim
the entire fork is about defrauding ZeroNet users and "rewriting ZeroNet" from Python to a creepy language called Rust
since there are supposedly other users reading this fantasy writer, let me clear that there's and there never was a plan to rewrite zeronet-conservancy into rust
This is something we discussed not long ago. Your memory appears to be very short, madam want to be developer.
@caryoscelus, pay close attention. Your WikiPedia edits, trolling and attacks on @canewsin, and even @wandrien https://www.reddit.com/r/zeronet/comments/s907uv/comment/htn7asn/ is is totally disgusting.
When confronted with reality, you're doing some knee-jerk smear here.
Several people who have been involved in ZeroNet for a long time have made it abundantly clear that you are not welcome in this community.
If you continue to troll, I will suspend your account and delete the fork that you are spamming everywhere while attacking others.
Since there is no "official" fork of ZeroNet, neither there is a fork with proven excellence track (commits), nor a fork recommended by vast community, I will simply continue not to use it. Tor and Freenet don't have these issues, I suggest everyone learns to explore at least one of these.
Official ZeroNet fork? It'd be amusing. More likely that the FBI arrest you than your ZeroNet fork becomes "official".
@caryoscelus is on her way to prison.
The biggest mistake you can make with ZeroNet forks is to advertise it in your own name; you will almost certainly be killed or imprisoned.
so many claims, so little evidence ...
at least its suspicious that zeronet-conservancy is
1453 commits ahead, 51 commits behind HelloZeroNet:master.
question as always: stupid or evil?
lets read some diff ...
spoiler: just stupid, not evil. stupid because lots of diff noise, which makes auditing harder
at least its suspicious that zeronet-conservancy is 1453 commits ahead, 51 commits behind HelloZeroNet:master.
git diff py3 conservancy
comparing amount of commits in master
yay , more noise in a stupid thread
which makes auditing harder
diff with my comments (2406 lines)
congrats , you are the first person to publicly attempt that
unfortunately you didn't do good enough job of it , which is only logical since you were busy entertaining your aggression and homophobia
if you have any real issues with code , kindly go and report them at https://github.com/zeronet-conservancy/zeronet-conservancy/issues
congrats , you are the first person to publicly attempt that
thats because youre too stupid to produce minimal diffs
if you have any real issues with code
hard-to-audit code (diff noise) is a real issue
Just to clear some things up. I'm Krixano, the developer who created ZeroMedium, KxoVid, ZeroExchange, and a bunch of other things. I also worked with @imachug on various things, including their ZeroNet streaming work, a new ID (KxoID) that would be a midway between decentralized and centralized, using a trust system, and a few other projects.
If I'm remembering correctly, the license change was actually a response to someone who complained about licensing violations/incompatibilities and was threatening to report the project for this, and the idea was to move from GPLv2 to GPLv3 because of the dependencies that ZeroNet had relied on required this. So, we created an issue so that all collaborators may vote on whether the license should be changed or not, since this is what is legally required for those who contributed significantly to the project. I left this community various times during and after this because the spam, spitefulness, and vitriol coming from certain individuals was too much to bear. My last ZeroNet projects were probably in 2019.
You can find more information about this here: #2273 To say that this was a supposed manipulation is weird. All contributors voted with good intentions to try to free ZeroNet from its license incompatibilities in a legal way. We all did the best we could with the information we had. Reminder: The vote was to move from GPLv2 to GPLv3 or GPLv3+. Some people also would have accepted a Lax license as well, but most seemed to be fine with GPL or Lax. If your issue is with GPLv3 vs. GPLv3+, I really don't know what to tell you, because I think that is a poor excuse to be mad at people and lie about them.
@imachug is a very skilled developer who worked on this official ZeroNet repo prior to it seemingly being abandoned. They also worked on a lot of other projects along with me, Anthyg, mkg2001, and a few other people. I do not know much about what imachug has done after 2020, but I do know that I enjoyed working with them when I did.
It looks like the ZeroNet community is worse than ever. That's unfortunate.
I do want to take the time to thank @imachug, @AnthyG, @mkg20001 , @rllola , @styromaniac, @Thunder33345 , @anoadragon453 , @shortcutme , and everyone else whose names I am having trouble remembering, who were the highlights of ZeroNet at the time. Even if this period of time was a time of a lot of stress, it was still a fun experience working on decentralized projects with you all. I truly believe we all had good intentions and tried our very best, and we all grew as programmers in the process.
Regarding any ZeroNet forks: I have no idea what the situation is, who is lying about who, who changed or manipulated the Wiki page, etc. I don't intend to get involved in that. What I am doing is detailing the reasons for the license change, and supporting the various people that I have worked with on this project. I wish the best for all of these people, even those whom I have had differences with in the past. The project might not have been the most successful, but I believe it changed each of us for the better.
It looks like the ZeroNet community is worse than ever. That's unfortunate.
There are rare instances of bigotry in the main forums. Aside from that, just spammers trying to drive people away. I think the bigger problem is that we don't have much of other conversations going on there to drown out what little noise there is coming from the bigots, but the bigots have no sway either way, but rather expose their ignorance.
I do want to take the time to thank @imachug, @AnthyG, @mkg20001 , @rllola , @styromaniac, @Thunder33345 , @anoadragon453 , @shortcutme , and everyone else whose names I am having trouble remembering, who were the highlights of ZeroNet at the time. Even if this period of time was a time of a lot of stress, it was still a fun experience working on decentralized projects with you all. I truly believe we all had good intentions and tried our very best, and we all grew as programmers in the process.
Thank you. Yes, I believe as well we're all the better now that we're older and wiser than before.
I'm glad to see that you're doing well.
@styromaniac Hello! Long time no see! lol
I'm glad there's someone still here that I actually know. I got an email from imachug almost a year ago, but I missed it because I stopped using protonmail. Hopefully they will see the email I just wrote back. Are you still on ZeroNet? I'm thinking about republishing many of my zites that I had deleted. Somehow, I feel like I need to help rebuild ZeroNet back up after what I did. It's hard to see how vacant ZeroNet seems after having been in the community for those few years.
@krixano Check your inbox :)
I don't know who hates ZeroNetX so much, people literally fighting over adding/removal of content on Wikipedia. See the diff and edit history 20 February 2023 to 7 March 2023, there aren't any references to ZeroNetX on live version.
@styromaniac Hello! Long time no see! lol
I'm glad there's someone still here that I actually know. I got an email from imachug almost a year ago, but I missed it because I stopped using protonmail. Hopefully he will see the email I just wrote back. Are you still on ZeroNet? I'm thinking about republishing many of my zites that I had deleted. Somehow, I feel like I need to help rebuild ZeroNet back up after what I did. It's hard to see how vacant ZeroNet seems after having been in the community for those few years.
I'm still there, but not talking a whole lot. My attention is stretched between playing on my Steam Deck and using AI chat bots to write a program.
Hello folks :) I'm still around, and active on matrix if you ever want to talk.
I'll admit I haven't used ZeroNet in forever, but still have yet to see something come as close as it did to a useable p2p internet replacement.
I don't know who hates ZeroNetX so much, people literally fighting over adding/removal of content on Wikipedia. See the diff and edit history 20 February 2023 to 7 March 2023, there aren't any references to ZeroNetX on live version.
A former developer I won't name, Silicon Valley, the Chinese Communist Party, and I'll let you guess the last one. Hint: They're at the very tippy top in society.
regarding wikipedia editing, it'd be nice if someone fork-neutral would write up new and/or revise deleted content and 0net users actually contribute to editing beside revert-wars (including contacting appropriate wp authorities)
I don't know who hates ZeroNetX so much, people literally fighting over adding/removal of content on Wikipedia. See the diff and edit history 20 February 2023 to 7 March 2023, there aren't any references to ZeroNetX on live version.
@canewsin What seems to have happened was that people kept complaining that certain repos were scams. One of the wiki editors kept on reverting them until they finally gave up and removed all of the fork links. However, ZeroNet-Convervancy was still kept in the wiki article. I haven't looked into why exactly though, but I believe it was being mentioned in a different section of the article than the others were.
I'm going to try to get things sorted out in the Wikipedia page, because so far what's happening there is completely unacceptable and against the spirit of Wikipedia. The editors need to stop letting wiki vandalizers run the show.
@krixano @caryoscelus @canewsin @styromaniac
I edit Wikipedia; if you have a fork, please create a new Wikipedia article instead of trolling and destroying the ZeroNet article.
You are not permitted to promote your nonsense on the parent software's page simply because you work on a fork.
Because Bitcoin BSV and Bitcoin Cash are forks of Bitcoin, Roger Ver cannot be listed as a developer on the Bitcoin Wikipedia page. That'd be hilarious.
You are welcome to create a new article for your software, which should ideally be named something other than ZeroNet.
I'm a ZeroNet developer, and I did not and will not allow trolling of the ZeroNet article on WikiPedia. That article must be preserved because I link to ZeroNet from my fork, which is far superior to all other forks.
It irritates me to see @caryoscelus spamming his/her shitfork with minor changes and new donation addresses.
I could have done the same thing three years ago because my fork is the oldest ZeroNet fork that has ever existed. It was also the first fork to implement Tor v3 before any other fork.
@redarmyfaction please stop destructive behaviour
You are welcome to create a new article for your software
you should read wikipedia rules about that. i bet none of the existing forks would be considered worth of an article
otherwise all forks work within the same network dubbed ZeroNet or 0net and the page is about network/protocol, not just particular implementation
as an example of forks being mentioned on original project page, here are a few examples:
Because Bitcoin BSV and Bitcoin Cash are forks of Bitcoin, Roger Ver cannot be listed as a developer on the Bitcoin Wikipedia page
i don't follow bitcoin developers, but bitcoin page does mention both forks and implementations of protocol
I'm a ZeroNet developer
proof?
That article must be preserved because I link to ZeroNet from my fork, which is far superior to all other forks. It irritates me to see @caryoscelus spamming his/her shitfork with minor changes and new donation addresses.
read some history, it's all in the open on wp and there's hundreds of threads on 0net. the only reason i've edited the page is because i had a page linking to wikipedia ZeroNet article and somebody "anonymous" edited it to claim ZNX (back then unnamed fork by @canewsin) is the continuation of ZeroNet
also, would you kindly link to your fork 'cause it's not in your profile
@caryoscelus You are the only one who is "destructive."
My fork does not exist on GitHub.
On the other hand, I have made more direct and indirect contributions to ZeroNet than you. Tamas Kocsis also merged many of my improvements, as everyone is aware. I'm also the one who started the license change, where I announced my fork several times.
Your perception of "history" is completely false, and you're nothing more than an ugly troll who "maintains existing codebase and adds features aimed at gradually migrating to a new p2p network designed from scratch," according to your stupid Wikipedia edits.
My fork does not exist on GitHub.
doesn't matter. if it exists, show it. otherwise, it's not a fork, but just a private project
On the other hand, I have made more direct and indirect contributions to ZeroNet than you. Tamas Kocsis also merged many of my improvements, as everyone is aware. I'm also the one who started the license change, where I announced my fork several times.
we'd move along faster if you'd provide any links to your claims coming from an empty account
Your perception of "history" is completely false, and you're nothing more than an ugly troll
enjoy your fantasy world :D
@caryoscelus
doesn't matter. if it exists, show it. otherwise, it's not a fork, but just a private project
enjoy your fantasy world :D
You appear to be suffering from severe brain damage.
@krixano It would be fantastic if you could publish the source code for your ID service and base the ID creation on Bitmessage, as the original ZeroID service did. Though I'm not sure if that worked.
I'd like to see an ID service built entirely on Bitmessage. Maybe @imachug can help with this as well, because gitcenter also requires IDs.
I just want to point out that Github clearly marks people who are contributors as such on each of their messages, so it's easy to see who contributed to the repo and who didn't.
@redarmyfaction If I were to be releasing anything, it will be with permission from Imachug first, as he was a significant developer in the KxoId stuff. KxoId doesn't need Bitmessage, because it uses PeerMessage. There was already an ID service that used Bitmessage, it became outdated very quickly and was overly complicated.
Btw, what's your id/username on ZeroNet?
I just want to point out that Github clearly marks people who are contributors as such on each of their messages, so it's easy to see who contributed to the repo and who didn't.
No way, especially when it comes to accounts that have been hidden by GitHub staff. Remember how many accounts were suspended when the issue of the license change was "discussed"?
There was already an ID service that used Bitmessage, it became outdated very quickly and was overly complicated.
That is the original ID service, ZeroID.
Actually, I prefer the original Bitmessage-based ID service version.
PeerMessage's source code is extremely filthy. I wouldn't have time to rewrite and debug it, and using several different plugins with ZeroNet isn't ideal.
Btw, what's your id/username on ZeroNet?
Today, I don't have the keys to any ID. No ID services work, not even your KxBsID stuff that you named after yourself instead of helping the community, isn't that funny? Some of you want to publish my fork (which has been published for years), but when I ask for a plugin, "oh no, we need permission".
@imachug is an old friend from Russia. Isn't that correct, @imachug? As you know, both @imachug, and @krixano was enraged by the license change, but @imachug at least defended Richard Stallman when he needed it.
Keep hiding in your rabbit hole, @krixano, and keep your source code, we don't really need you.
@milahu is 100% correct about @caryoscelus. She is a fucking scammer who removes code from ZeroNet and then sends another pull request weeks later to "fix this and that." She intentionally causes problems in her own fork in order to later send a "fix pr" and artificially inflate her commits in order to pretend that she maintains the only fork that should completely replace ZeroNet.
@caryoscelus, learn English and stop spamming your disgusting fork that no one uses, you filthy troll.
@caryoscelus literally has no idea how imports work in ZeroNet, so she removed imports and destroyed the site's function in her own fork that she wants everyone to use. Hilarious.
@redarmyfaction You know, during the license change, I precisely remember this person who threatened legal action against ZeroNet due to a license violation. They had various accounts, but one of those accounts has the username "antifa". They claimed some developers "stole" their code, which was proven to be false (I still have the video showing this). They made multiple accounts to try to get around bans, which is against Github's policy, and hence why so many of those accounts were suspended.
KxoId doesn't work right now because it's deliberately down. If it's BS, then why do you need the source code for it? It uses PeerMessage, which you've just stated you don't like and don't want to use, so there's no point in giving it to you. Especially when the code is actually so simple and how it works is outlined very clearly on the KxoNetwork site that any real programmer could implement it themselves very easily.
You do not want to mess with me @redarmyfaction .
KxoId doesn't work right now because it's deliberately down.
Stop trolling or I'll deliberately fart into your mouth.
You do not want to mess with me @redarmyfaction
Be careful not to slip on the ice and injure yourself, my boy.
They had various accounts, but one of those accounts was "antifa".
Are you some Trump-supporting neo-nazi scumbag who comes to GitHub and screams "antifa" when confronted with reality?
@krixano, I told you to go. You are not welcome here with your threats.
For people wondering who this person is, I have a list of issues regarding them. They have been pathetically spamming ZeroNet since 2019 and have used various usernames including "antifa", "Hacktivist", "zeronettimemachine", "LiberateZeroNet", "whichpartdontyouunderstand" and various other accounts that were created during 2019 to get around him being blocked from the repo:
https://github.com/HelloZeroNet/ZeroNet/issues/2283 https://github.com/HelloZeroNet/ZeroNet/issues/2269#issuecomment-549127471 https://github.com/HelloZeroNet/ZeroNet/issues/2361#issuecomment-565822406 https://github.com/HelloZeroNet/ZeroNet/issues/2258#issuecomment-547493095 https://github.com/HelloZeroNet/ZeroNet/issues/2293#issuecomment-550482144 https://github.com/HelloZeroNet/ZeroNet/issues/2290#issuecomment-550486944 https://github.com/HelloZeroNet/ZeroNet/issues/2269#issuecomment-552054895 https://github.com/HelloZeroNet/ZeroNet/issues/2294 https://github.com/HelloZeroNet/ZeroNet/issues/2298 https://github.com/HelloZeroNet/ZeroNet/issues/2304 https://github.com/HelloZeroNet/ZeroNet/pull/2331 https://github.com/HelloZeroNet/ZeroNet/pull/2296 https://github.com/HelloZeroNet/ZeroNet/pull/2255 https://github.com/HelloZeroNet/ZeroNet/pull/2248 https://github.com/HelloZeroNet/ZeroNet/issues/2256
Here's a comment I made in 2019 on how many usernames this person has had, and all the reports that I had to send in to Github's staff about this person's spamming: https://github.com/HelloZeroNet/ZeroNet/pull/2248#issuecomment-550093707
@krixano You make me think of Larry! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siZQX98TsJ0
@imachug became a transgender person before he was Ivan, and she is now known as "Alisa." :rofl: I guess the copyright notices are no longer valid.
@caryoscelus is back to trolling and spamming ZeroNet users and defrauding ZeroNet users. I recommend that everyone avoid her once more.
She is an ugly troll who spams Reddit, WikiPedia, GitHub, and other GitHub repositories to promote her cryptocurrency scam.
Take a look at how aggressive @krixano and @caryoscelus have become. I strongly advise everyone to completely ignore these trolls. Don't download anything from these criminal scammers who are attempting to defraud ZeroNet users with hostile forks.
@caryoscelus is still spamming this repository with her ostensibly "zeronet conservancy" fork, which is nothing more than a scam in which she simply changed the donation addresses without making any significant changes.
You should avoid using the fork promoted by @caryoscelus; she has also spammed the ZeroNet Wikipedia page with links to her fork.
While the name implies "preserving ZeroNet," the entire fork is about defrauding ZeroNet users and "rewriting ZeroNet" from Python to a creepy language called Rust, which was created in 2010. She formed a phoney organization called "Riza committee" with some seriously deranged individuals with the goal of completely destroying ZeroNet.
Except for the word "conservation," "ZeroNet conservancy" refers to everything. It's a giant scam.
You're mistaken if you think you can hide behind @imachug.
Imachug is a retard who attacked ZeroNet users and faked a license change, literally manipulating legal voting to ensure that ZeroNet will have a GPLv3 license rather than a GPLv3+, then @imachug pretended he is standing with RMS (Richard Stallman) and even became the creator of the "Stand with RMS" campaign on GitHub, which has since been archived.
If, as he claims, @imachug has changed over the years, he should speak out against your hostile fork @caryoscelus. Even if he doesn't, I will, so prepare yourself.
I will not fail ZeroNet; I did not fail when the license was changed, and I will not fail now.