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please remove me from the list #2

Closed dkochmanski closed 5 years ago

dkochmanski commented 5 years ago

I was not asked nor agreed to publish my aggregated information on this site.

nb: You may consider asking others before publishing their information too. Necessity to opt-out from something you have never subscribed is not the nicest thing.

svetlyak40wt commented 5 years ago

:(

defunkydrummer commented 5 years ago

Wow... On the other hand you should be on the list, as "the man" for ECL..!

dkochmanski commented 5 years ago

I've asked for this more than a week ago. When I look at the website I can still see my name and PR which respects my wish is closed. How hard is it to remove my name from your website after explicit demand? When may I expect my name removed from this page?

Hexstream commented 5 years ago

I apologize for the delays. I appreciate your patience. Notably, an important life event requiring immediate attention has kept me busy and delayed the processing of this issue, which is indeed important but unfortunately not as straightforward to resolve as it may appear, as might have been inferred from the applied Pending further processing label and its description.

2 days ago, the creator of the corresponding pull request has closed their request, and I took the occasion to point them to a tweet that I had posted the day before, stating that I was indeed "working on a major policy update that will provide some clarifications and notably address the removal issue" (emphasis mine). I did not see fit to actively inform you of this fact since I had already publicly stated that I was working on the case on 2 recent occasions (the tweet and my comment pointing to it in the pull request) and I knew that the policy update was imminent. In fact, yesterday I made major progress on the update and I expect to be able to complete it and push it out today.

Note that nobody has been added to the list since launch. So as to best prioritize this issue, rest assured that I will not add any more people to the list until the removal issue is addressed to my satisfaction.

Hence, I'll have to implore your patience for a little while longer. Thank you for your understanding, and sorry for the inconvenience.

Hexstream commented 5 years ago

Do note that it is the pull request creator who has closed their request, not me.

Hexstream commented 5 years ago

Alright. I just pushed out a major policy update. (You may need to shift-refresh.)

Unfortunately, I cannot accede to your removal request. I hope you can see now that there are pretty good reasons for this.

This issue has not yet been resolved to my satisfaction. A partial remedy will soon be offered to objectors.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to implore your patience once more. Hopefully, learning why I can't just remove you from the list alleviates your pain somewhat.

Hexstream commented 5 years ago

It seems I never replied directly to your first comment...

I was not asked nor agreed to publish my aggregated information on this site.

You are correct, out of practicality concerns I have not contacted any of the first 100 added persons, and out of consistency concerns I don't intend to contact anyone else before adding them, either.

Unfortunately, this has not yet been made clear in the policies, and some confusion has resulted. I apologize for this omission and any inconvenience it may have caused. I am looking to fix this soon.

nb: You may consider asking others before publishing their information too.

No, see above.

Necessity to opt-out from something you have never subscribed is not the nicest thing.

There is no "necessity to opt-out", and you are not "subscribed" to this. Nobody has received, nor will receive, any type of notification as a direct result of them getting added to the list. Indeed that is part of the point of me not contacting anyone before adding them to the list, as that could certainly be seen as "spamming" or otherwise undesirable.

Those who wish to be kept informed of certain happenings within the Common Lisp community may want to consider "watching" the repository.

Hexstream commented 5 years ago

Daniel Kochmański (jackdaniel) rushed to send a MALICIOUS, LIBELOUS AND FRAUDULENT complaint to Cloudflare.

Hexstream commented 5 years ago

It's now possible for Common Lispers list members to register as an Assenter or Objector.

This issue is now resolved to my satisfaction.

Hexstream commented 5 years ago

I added a note in the policies about the absence of notifications when getting added to the list. (Refresh.)

lispm commented 5 years ago

What a load of bullshit about 'policies'. Remove Daniel and me from the site.

dkochmanski commented 5 years ago

I don't have much more to say in this thread, I've reported abuse to the network provider and wait for the response from them. Reactions of the repository owner are beyond reason so I see no point in arguing here.

lispm commented 5 years ago

Instead of endless mental masturbations about 'policies' he could just have updated the site already with the requested removal.

Hexstream commented 5 years ago

Yes, I could have decided to be spineless, but I decided otherwise. I appreciate you both taking the time to express your perspectives.

You may both register as Objectors if you wish, this is the only remedy I have to offer you.

lispm commented 5 years ago

I don't want to register for anything. Remove my data. Just do it. Make sure that my data is not visible on your website anymore. I have not entered my data into your software and you are listing me without having asked me. Instead of wasting time, remove me.

Hexstream commented 5 years ago

I took the time to explain my rationale at length. I am looking forward to a healthy public debate.

lispm commented 5 years ago

I'm not interested in your rationale. Delete me.

Hexstream commented 5 years ago

Behave like an entitled child if you wish, that does not invalidate my policies.

lispm commented 5 years ago

Just remove me from your website. Do it.

lispm commented 5 years ago

Don't be like child adding funny emojis to my replies. Delete me entry from your website.

Hexstream commented 5 years ago

"Debate" continues in #13, for those unaware.

lispm commented 5 years ago

There is no debate. Jean-Philippe Paradis repeatedly violates my request to be deleted.

Hexstream commented 5 years ago

You are right that there is no debate in that you have repeatedly refused to provide arguments.

I have repeatedly respectfully declined to grant your request because it is fundamentally incompatible with the policies, which nobody has even tried to challenge yet.

lispm commented 5 years ago

There is nothing to debate. You have listed my data without my consent. I want to be removed.

Hexstream commented 5 years ago

No consent is needed from anyone to republish public information.

There can be no reasonable expectation of "privacy" regarding information that one willingly and prominently publishes about themselves.

I will not destroy my infrastructure every time someone cries.

lispm commented 5 years ago

That's irrelevant. Delete me.

Hexstream commented 5 years ago

If facts and logic are irrelevant then I am indeed defenseless.

lispm commented 5 years ago

Just delete my data from your website.

Hexstream commented 5 years ago

Your request has already been duly processed. I already did everything I could responsibly do. Please stop wasting everyone's time with your idemimpotent requests. (No typo.)

lispm commented 5 years ago

You lie. Your website still lists my data.

Remove my data from your website.

Hexstream commented 5 years ago

??? I never lie. I said that your request had been duly processed, which it has been. It is clear from the context that duly processing your request does not involve deleting your entry from the website, as that would be irresponsible.

lispm commented 5 years ago

Delete my data from your website.

Hexstream commented 5 years ago

You sound like a broken record. Please consult a mental health professional.

lispm commented 5 years ago

Delete my data from your website.

Hexstream commented 5 years ago

I am no longer entertained by your antics. I empathize with your frustration, but advise you to consult a mental health professional.

lispm commented 5 years ago

Delete my data from your website.