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Coordinated Analysis with Replication (CAR) across 10 longitudinal studies: Bivariate growth curve model of physical and cognitive decline.
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Does the scale of one outcome affect the bivariate correlation? #1

Open andkov opened 7 years ago

andkov commented 7 years ago

Fev vs Fev100

Question: will a bivariate model yield the same inference regarding bivariate linear correlation if one of the processes is linearly transformed?

Observations so far by @ampiccinin
Based on the covariances, the fev100 had the desired effect - we can now see slope covariance values larger than 0.00, and the p values become consistently lower - but they vary by how much

ampiccinin commented 7 years ago

While p-values are probably not the best way to compare the results, they are generally what people rely on in drawing conclusions about their data. With this in mind:

Of, for example, the 18 measures in one study:

An additional issue is that the computed correlation CIs (I don't see the SEs in the table) are a lot smaller than the Mplus esimated CIs (e.g., -.94, .96 vs -.05, .07)

Highlighted in the attached file (green, yellow, red, grey/white, and orange, respectively): pulmonary-meta-fev-vs-fev100-MAP-2017-10-03 - AMP.xlsx

andkov commented 7 years ago

@ampiccinin A few notes.

  1. The computed correlations should not have SE. due to the fact that correlation coefficient is not distributed normally, you can’t just throw a 95%CI from Gaussian onto a point estimate and call it a 95%CI of a correlation.
  2. The Mplus estimate this by just throwing a 95CI from Gaussian onto a point estimate and calling this a 95%CI of a correlation.
  3. It seems that Mplus, by sssuming that point estimate of a correlation is distributed normally, overestimate its value, compared to Fisher-Z transform employed during our “in-house” computation of the correlation point estimate.