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The package of IBM’s typeface, IBM Plex.
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[website] change all mentions of "Plex Condensed" to "Plex Sans Condensed" #527

Closed julesatgthb closed 5 months ago

julesatgthb commented 1 year ago

Hello...

First, many thanks for the font - I've been using it for 2 years. Now, millions of characters later, I stumbled on this (and on my own ignorance):

a) There's the IBM Plex Sans Cond that everyone keeps talking about, and using - present company included, but b) There's an IBM Plex Condensed advertised on IBM's website: https://www.ibm.com/plex/concept/

Initially, I though this was the naming / abbreviation issue. However, the difference between the fonts is substantial - take a look at the infamous 'g'. Can anyone look into this and shed some light, please? Or am I mixing up the golf balls? :)

Many thanks, J.

BoldMonday commented 1 year ago

There is only one condensed version of IBM Plex Sans which -- depending on your operating system or application -- might show up either as “IBM Plex Sans Cond” or ”IBM Plex Sans Condensed” in font menus.

I’m not sure what image of a “g” you are referring to but the fonts in question contain two versions: the double-storey g is the default form, and there is a single-storey g as stylistic alternate.

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julesatgthb commented 1 year ago

Dear Paul / BoldMonday,

Thank you for emboldening my Sunday! ...And liberating the world from Helvetica - we, the World, thank you. Perhaps you could add Roboto next to your hit list, please...? :)

I'm aware of the abbreviation of 'condensed' to 'cond' in, say, Word's font menu. However, what I have on my end is IBM Plex Sans Cond, with the double-decker '𝗀' only. Yet, on IBM's website - in the specs menu from where you took your image - there's

...Which got me asking, did I break the font? Known to happen... ...Or maybe it's a Windows / Word nonsense - I do use Open, not TrueType... For example, when I type ¼, Word maps it to IBM Plex Mono, not Cond - which, nonetheless, I prefer, with that beautiful interrupted slash. Yet, Word does this with either True or Open type, and the font files, say, IBMPlexSans-Regular.ttf, Mono-Regular.ttf, or SansCondensed-Regular.ttf, neither shows me two gs, just the one '𝗀', in U+0067, as one would expect...

Still, ignore me - I'm happy with the fractions in the same way I'm happy with '𝗀' - there's no need for that 'g' - not at all, I was just - o. m. ⎵ . - maybe I'm using the wrong font files...? Anyhow... Many thanks! Truly appreciate you taking the time. Enjoy your weekend, or what's left of it. J.

PS - Talking about fractions, this would be liberating too: ⅒ ...And, while we're at it... ℚ ℝ ℤ ℕ 𝑛 𝑥 𝑦 𝑧 ⎴ ≪ ≫ ∈ ∋ ∧ ∨ ∴ ≲ ≳ ◁ ⬧ & Co. ➊... Ⓐ... ...But more importantly U+1F384

kenmcd commented 1 year ago

IBM Plex Sans Condensed - Regular (v1.3/v1.003) from Release v6.3.0 - https://github.com/IBM/plex/releases

Alternate g is accessed via ss02 or salt (or aalt)

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You can also "freeze" those features into your own custom version using either:

BoldMonday commented 1 year ago

Ah, I see there is a typo on the Plex website!

All the drop down menus on https://ibm.com/plex/ are listing “IBM Plex Condensed” whereas there should be “IBM Plex Sans Condensed”.

@mjabbink: can this be fixed?

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julesatgthb commented 1 year ago

@BoldMonday - Yep, that's the menu that got me disturbing your weekend.

@kenmcd - brilliant stuff! Many, many thanks! Every day is a school day. I'm on FontFreeze, having a blast! I'll be here for days! The pleasure of remapping font tables and overriding Office - genius! The OT Feature Freezer is 404ing me to font off...

Anyhow, thank you all. Appreciate you looking into this - truly do. J.

mjabbink commented 1 year ago

Thanks for finding this and I will make an issue to fix but this will probably take some time due to resources and priorities.

@julesatgthb The condensed should have both g’s and the double-decker is default and the single story an alternate.

julesatgthb commented 1 year ago

Dear Mike (et al.),

No worries; none at all. I'm already thankful for you taking the time. It's all good, really. I was just taken aback a bit, thinking I'd broken another font. The truth is I love the double-decker. This other 'g' is just a misguided 'a' - like the 'Is' who think their 'ls'...? Anyhow...

Thank you. You can close this.

BoldMonday commented 1 year ago

Let's keep this issue open until the website has been updated.

Shot2 commented 7 months ago

I've tried all stylistic sets and alternates under MS Word, and could not replicate the design of the "Plex Condensed" font (as seen on the website) using the "Plex Sans Condensed" files from Github. They look like extremely different fonts... (look at the uppercase Q, I etc.)

BoldMonday commented 7 months ago

@Shot2 Your comments seem unrelated to the issue discussed here. Feel free to open a new issue where you describe in detail the problem. Please include screenshots too.

mjabbink commented 5 months ago

Issues should be resolved on the Plex website.