entità collegate al bene

oibaf commented 4 years ago

la trasformazione in rdf della scheda catalografica genera risorse specifiche e riferimenti su risorse condivise, negli esempi riportati di seguito però è assente il riferimento esplicito alla risorsa pertinente

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molte dei casi si ripetono e sicuramente buona parte sono causati da una rottura del legame a monte, però l'elenco dovrebbe essere esaustivo nella rappresentatività dei casi

ripenserei comunque l'opportunità di esplicitare il riferimento inverso sulle risorse condivise, in questo caso l'informazione ridondante comporta la produzione di milioni di triple che si concentrano anche a centinaia di migliaia sulla singola risorsa, causando un sensibile aggravio nella elaborazione e nella presentazione del dato

grazie!

luigi-asprino commented 4 years ago

Mi dispiace ma faccio difficoltà a capire il problema. La prego di darmi informazioni più puntuali ed esempi specifici, altrimenti per me è difficile capire quale sia il problema.

Ad esempio, data la scheda ICCD11905461 (va bene anche mettere solo l'URL oai-pmh) vorremmo che fossero materializzate queste triple (indicando eventualmente anche XPath da cui dovrebbero provenire i dati).

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Oppure queste tripla

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andrebbe sostituita con questa

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La prego di darci esempi più specifici possibile.

oibaf commented 4 years ago

Dunque, l'ipotesi di partenza è che le entità che vanno a costituire la rappresentazione rdf del bene siano fra loro connesse. Al variare della tipologia e della complessità del dato, il numero di entità e di relazioni varia, ma dalle analisi che ho potuto fare, l'ipotesi mi sembra corretta perché l'assenza dei collegamenti attesi non è la regola ma sono eccezioni, credo probabilmente dovute a casi particolari con cui può strutturarsi il dato o a varianti nei contenuti che danno luogo ad anomalie non ancora evidenziate.

Nei casi elencati è presente il collegamento ai dati nelle due rappresentazioni xml originale e rdf nt, l'identificativo dell'entità che rappresenta il bene e di seguito le entità che dovrebbe poter essere raggiunte per completarne la descrizione sulla base dei contenuti di partenza e del modello adottato, ma che risultano però sprovviste del collegamento necessario. Dato che i collegamenti si realizzano con più relazioni, è abbastanza probabile che l'anomalia sia su una minima parte delle risorse elencate, e che il loro numero non sia indicativo della complessità del problema, ma la mia conoscenza del dominio al momento non mi permette di farne una sintesi migliore.

Il risultato comunque è che le risorse elencate verrebbero escluse da una interrogazione basata sulla conoscenza del modello.

Analizzando il caso (apparentemente semplice) di ICCD13659679 vedo che l'istanza CulturalEvent generata galleggia nel vuoto, nel senso che non viene referenziata da nessuna delle triple prodotte, è questa osservazione che l'ha resa oggetto della segnalazione, i dati che riporta si perdono, o è sbagliata l'ipotesi di partenza?

luigi-asprino commented 4 years ago

Ci possono essere casi in cui:

le entità sono collegate tra loro,
le entità sono collegate ad altre entità esterne (e.g. entità definite nell'ontologia) e quindi che non vengono inserite nell file nt
entità che potrebbe avere senso definirle e non collegarle a nulla (non so se abbiamo casi in arco, ma penso ad esempio ad un vocabolario controllato)

Tutto può essere giusto / tutto può essere sbagliato fornendo le motivazioni giuste rispetto ai requisiti ontologici e di sistema.

Quindi per questo motivo quello che dobbiamo fare è analizzare caso per caso per andare a verificare casi di questo tipo:

è giusto che questa tripla sia stata generata?
andava generata un altra tripla?
è giusto che questa entità è scollegata dalle altre?

Nel caso dell'istanza di CulturalEvent, immagino che si riferisca alla entità <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/CulturalEvent/fdd13a17b52d855639ae94d002f05eef> (rinnovo l'invito a citare le URI per capirci meglio). Le triple in cui l'entità è soggetto/oggetto sono le seguenti

<https://w3id.org/arco/resource/CulturalEvent/fdd13a17b52d855639ae94d002f05eef> <http://dati.beniculturali.it/cis/involvesCulturalEntity> <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/HistoricOrArtisticProperty/0901137871> .
<https://w3id.org/arco/resource/CulturalEvent/fdd13a17b52d855639ae94d002f05eef> <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type> <http://dati.beniculturali.it/cis/CulturalEvent> .
<https://w3id.org/arco/resource/CulturalEvent/fdd13a17b52d855639ae94d002f05eef> <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#label> "Grosseto 900" .
<https://w3id.org/arco/resource/CulturalEvent/fdd13a17b52d855639ae94d002f05eef> <https://w3id.org/italia/onto/CLV/hasSpatialCoverage> <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/GeographicalFeature/567b6e01b988fdc8fb88756d699727d3> .
<https://w3id.org/arco/resource/CulturalEvent/fdd13a17b52d855639ae94d002f05eef> <https://w3id.org/italia/onto/TI/time> "2016" .
<https://w3id.org/arco/resource/CulturalEvent/fdd13a17b52d855639ae94d002f05eef> <https://w3id.org/italia/onto/l0/name> "Grosseto 900" .

L'entità quindi è associata ad un tipo e ha altre associate informazioni (tempo, spatial coverage, nome) ed è associata tramite la proprietà cis:involvesCulturalEntity all'entità culturale descritta dalla scheda cioè <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/HistoricOrArtisticProperty/0901137871>. Il tutto mi sembra corretto, o forse mi sto perdendo qualcosa?

oibaf commented 4 years ago

sì tutto corretto tranne l'ipotesi di partenza, con entità connesse intendevo destinatarie di un riferimento esplicito, naturalmente non ho la pretesa di decidere quale relazione sia meglio usare e dove, né tanto meno di imporre la ragionevolezza delle ipotesi, il mio approccio è puramente esplorativo, se incontro delle contraddizioni cambio strada

nel caso analizzato il problema è che lo strumento che ha isolato i casi evidenziati non tiene conto della possibilità di un riferimento diretto al bene senza salti, errore mio, ora correggo e ci riprovo (quando lo harvester torna in vita), magari qualcosa di sensato vien fuori, però nei dati di ICCD13661303 la tripla <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Dating/1201254198-4-1> <https://w3id.org/arco/ontology/context-description/hasDatingEvent> <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Event/1201254198-4-realizzazione> . non ha destinazione e l'evento <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Event/1201254198-4-> non è referenziato, forse qualcosa non va

certo i casi possibili sono molti ma il contesto che sto indagando riguarda il bene e le risorse collegate

grazie

luigi-asprino commented 4 years ago

grazie per la segnalazione.

Il caso indicato sembra sia un errore. Penso che

<https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Event/1201254198-4-realizzazione>

debba essere

<https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Event/1201254198-4->

o viceversa. Controllo.

luigi-asprino commented 4 years ago

@oibaf con quale versione dell'xslt è stato generato il file ICCD13661303.nt ? Il file contiene altre triple?

oibaf commented 4 years ago

la versione di arco.xslt è 971 no, il file allegato è completo

oibaf commented 4 years ago

grazie per l'intervento

di seguito le segnalazioni aggiornate con la nuova trasformazione, la correzione alla procedura e la sostituzione di una delle schede non più presenti sullo harvester con ICCD10479381, che evidenzia il problema sui dati catastali

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 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/MeasurementCollection/0600172967-2

http://catalogo.beniculturali.it/oaitarget/OAIHandler?verb=GetRecord&identifier=oai%3Aoaicat.iccd.org%3A%40ICCD13564800%40%2Fxml%2Fcards&metadataPrefix=oai_dc
 ICCD13564800 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/PhotographicHeritage/0800640579
 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/PreparatoryOrFinalWork/0800640579-positivo
 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/ConservationIntervention/0800640579-conservation-intervention-1
 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Inventory/0800640579-preparatory-final-work-inventory-p_000162

http://catalogo.beniculturali.it/oaitarget/OAIHandler?verb=GetRecord&identifier=oai%3Aoaicat.iccd.org%3A%40ICCD13572843%40%2Fxml%2Fcards&metadataPrefix=oai_dc
 ICCD13572843 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/PhotographicHeritage/0800649585
 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/LegalSituation/0800649585-legal-situation-proprieta-stato
 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Dating/0800649585-1
 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/ConservationStatus/0800649585-conservation-status-1
 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Event/0800649585-creation-1
 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/CulturalEntityTechnicalStatus/0800649585
 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Intervention/0800649585-intervention-1
 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Value/0800649585-1-height-lenght-170x125
 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Measurement/0800649585-1-height-lenght
 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/MeasurementCollection/0800649585

http://catalogo.beniculturali.it/oaitarget/OAIHandler?verb=GetRecord&identifier=oai%3Aoaicat.iccd.org%3A%40ICCD13670494%40%2Fxml%2Fcards&metadataPrefix=oai_dc
 ICCD13670494 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/ArchitecturalOrLandscapeHeritage/1500391452
 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/HistoricalPlaque/1500391452-affixed-element-1
 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/CoatOfArms/1500391452-affixed-element-2
 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/CulturalEntityTechnicalStatus/1500391452-affixed-element-2
 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/CulturalEntityTechnicalStatus/1500391452-affixed-element-1

ICCD10019059_to_ICCD13670494.zip

luigi-asprino commented 4 years ago

Quale è il problema sui dati catastali? La prego di essere più specifico nelle segnalazioni, altrimenti per noi è difficile capire quale sia il problema. Mi descriva brevemente il problema indicando le triple interessate e cosa si sarebbe aspettato di diverso per quelle triple. Grazie.

oibaf commented 4 years ago

Buongiorno,

il problema non è specifico dei dati catastali, ma è comune a tutti i dati associati alle entità elencate

nei casi indicati (ma sono solo esemplificativi della presenza di casi analoghi) non è possibile individuare un criterio con cui estrarre i dati che completano la descrizione del bene

ad esempio nel primo dei casi elencati


http://catalogo.beniculturali.it/oaitarget/OAIHandler?verb=GetRecord&identifier=oai%3Aoaicat.iccd.org%3A%40ICCD10019059%40%2Fxml%2Fcards&metadataPrefix=oai_dc
 ICCD10019059 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/ArchaeologicalProperty/2000104070
 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Bibliography/2000104070-archaeological-excavation-bibliography

la risorsa <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Bibliography/2000104070-archaeological-excavation-bibliography> non ha collegamenti diretti ad altre risorse ma è referenziata da <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/ArchaeologicalExcavation/2000104070-survey-1>

<https://w3id.org/arco/resource/ArchaeologicalExcavation/2000104070-survey-1> <https://w3id.org/arco/ontology/context-description/hasBibliography> <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Bibliography/2000104070-archaeological-excavation-bibliography> .

<https://w3id.org/arco/resource/ArchaeologicalExcavation/2000104070-survey-1> non è referenziata da altre risorse e le risorse che referenzia sono assenti (tranne <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Bibliography/2000104070-archaeological-excavation-bibliography> vista sopra)

la risorsa <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Dating/2000104070-1> referenzia l'evento <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Event/2000104070-creation-1> e non è referenziata da altre risorse

<https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Event/2000104070-creation-1> non è referenziata da altre risorse e non ha riferimenti che la riconducano al bene

la risorsa <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/LegalSituation/2000104070-legal-situation-proprieta-stato> non è referenziata da altre risorse e referenzia <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Agent/8cb75ec50c37b769b2c85210b3716feb>, entrambe però non hanno riferimenti con cui ricondurle al bene

alcune delle risorse analizzate veicolano informazione e altre no ma la domanda è: con quale criterio è possibile risalire dal bene a queste risorse?

probabilmente <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/LegalSituation/2000104070-legal-situation-proprieta-stato> richiederebbe la tripla

<https://w3id.org/arco/resource/ArchaeologicalProperty/2000104070> <https://w3id.org/arco/ontology/context-description/hasLegalSituation> <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/LegalSituation/2000104070-legal-situation-proprieta-stato> .

e <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Dating/2000104070-1> dovrebbe essere collegata con

<https://w3id.org/arco/resource/ArchaeologicalProperty/2000104070> <https://w3id.org/arco/ontology/context-description/hasDating> <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Dating/2000104070-1> .

eccetera, sperando di aver chiarito

stranamente la versione pubblicata del caso analizzato non sembra conforme a quanto descritto sopra

grazie

luigi-asprino commented 4 years ago

Passo in rassegna tutto il messaggio precedente punto per punto.

http://catalogo.beniculturali.it/oaitarget/OAIHandler?verb=GetRecord&identifier=oai%3Aoaicat.iccd.org%3A%40ICCD10019059%40%2Fxml%2Fcards&metadataPrefix=oai_dc ICCD10019059 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/ArchaeologicalProperty/2000104070 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Bibliography/2000104070-archaeological-excavation-bibliography

Quindi, i dati che darebbero problemi sono stati generati a partire dalla scheda ICCD10019059.

la risorsa https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Bibliography/2000104070-archaeological-excavation-bibliography non ha collegamenti diretti ad altre risorse ma è referenziata da https://w3id.org/arco/resource/ArchaeologicalExcavation/2000104070-survey-1

Nel file RDF risultante c'è l'entità

<https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Bibliography/2000104070-archaeological-excavation-bibliography>

Questa entità dice che "non ha collegamenti diretti ad altre risorse ma è referenziata da <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/ArchaeologicalExcavation/2000104070-survey-1>

Le faccio notare che dato che è referenziata da una risorsa allora è anche collegata ad altre risorse.

https://w3id.org/arco/resource/ArchaeologicalExcavation/2000104070-survey-1 non è referenziata da altre risorse e le risorse che referenzia sono assenti (tranne https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Bibliography/2000104070-archaeological-excavation-bibliography vista sopra)

Il fatto che "non è referenziata da altre risorse", inteso come "non compare mai come object" non è un problema-
"le risorse che referenzia sono assenti". Ho rigenerato con l'ultima versione dell'xstl e mi sembra che tutte le risorse siano correttamente collegate <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/ArchaeologicalExcavation/2000104070-survey-1> siano correttamente definite all'interno del file

la risorsa https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Dating/2000104070-1 referenzia l'evento https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Event/2000104070-creation-1 e non è referenziata da altre risorse

Stessa cosa come sopra, l'evento <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Event/2000104070-creation-1> viene correttamente definito nel file rdf generato da RDFizer

https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Event/2000104070-creation-1 non è referenziata da altre risorse e non ha riferimenti che la riconducano al bene

Ma non mi sembra così. Nel file RDF generato da RDFizer trovo le seguenti triple:

<https://w3id.org/arco/resource/ArchaeologicalProperty/2000104070> <https://w3id.org/arco/ontology/context-description/hasDating> <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Dating/2000104070-1> .
<https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Dating/2000104070-1> <https://w3id.org/arco/ontology/context-description/hasDatingEvent> <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Event/2000104070-creation-1> .

Quindi creation è legato alla cultural property oggetto della scheda.

la risorsa https://w3id.org/arco/resource/LegalSituation/2000104070-legal-situation-proprieta-stato non è referenziata da altre risorse e referenzia https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Agent/8cb75ec50c37b769b2c85210b3716feb, entrambe però non hanno riferimenti con cui ricondurle al bene

Io trovo che l'RDFizer genera:

<https://w3id.org/arco/resource/ArchaeologicalProperty/2000104070> <https://w3id.org/arco/ontology/context-description/hasLegalSituation> <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/LegalSituation/2000104070-legal-situation-proprieta-stato> .

che collega direttamente il bene alla risorsa, quindi dimostra sia che la risorsa è collegata ad altre risorse che la risorsa è collegata al bene.

alcune delle risorse analizzate veicolano informazione e altre no ma la domanda è: con quale criterio è possibile risalire dal bene a queste risorse?

Tutte le relazioni sono definite a livello di ontologia, l'ontologia definisce a livello formale la struttura dei dati. Detto questo tutte le triple e risorse generate veicolano informazione, quindi sono tutte utili per la descrizione della risorsa.

probabilmente https://w3id.org/arco/resource/LegalSituation/2000104070-legal-situation-proprieta-stato richiederebbe la tripla https://w3id.org/arco/resource/ArchaeologicalProperty/2000104070 https://w3id.org/arco/ontology/context-description/hasLegalSituation https://w3id.org/arco/resource/LegalSituation/2000104070-legal-situation-proprieta-stato .

Nel file appena generato c'è, come scritto sopra

e https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Dating/2000104070-1 dovrebbe essere collegata con

https://w3id.org/arco/resource/ArchaeologicalProperty/2000104070 https://w3id.org/arco/ontology/context-description/hasDating https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Dating/2000104070-1 .

Anche questa c'è.

In conclusione mi sembra che tutti i problemi sollevati:

o siano stati già risolti, quindi non c'è nessun intervento da fare.
o forse c'è un problema nell'uso dell'RDFizer, in questo caso possiamo dare una mano
o mi sono person qualcosa.

Allego il file generato con l'RDFizer che dimostra tutto quello scritto sopra. ICCD10019059.nt.zip

Mi sembra quindi che la issue possa essere chiusa.

Grazie comunque per le segnalazioni.

oibaf commented 4 years ago

quindi il file nt generato da me conta 197 triple, quello con la dimostrazione 398, ne mancano 201, dove saranno finite? la risposta è nascosta in una eccezione muta del Converter

https://github.com/ICCD-MiBACT/ArCo/blob/f92aa630825b539db63b1f3a9023391db18d3460/ArCo-release/rdfizer/src/main/java/it/cnr/istc/stlab/arco/Converter.java#L306

le schede con caratteri UTF-8 estesi passano le trasformazioni ma vanno in errore durante la lettura sul modello se il dato è presente in uscita dalla trasformazione

org.apache.jena.riot.RiotException: [line: 346, col: 159] Invalid byte 3 of 3-byte UTF-8 sequence. ... at org.apache.jena.rdf.model.impl.ModelCom.read(ModelCom.java:305) at it.cnr.istc.stlab.arco.Converter.convert(Converter.java:305)

producendo un file nt incompleto

se l'encoding della piattaforma non è UTF-8, è necessario il parametro -Dfile.encoding=UTF-8 all'avvio della jvm, ma l'eccezione la farei galleggiare

queste le segnalazioni residue al netto delle correzioni

http://catalogo.beniculturali.it/oaitarget/OAIHandler?verb=GetRecord&identifier=oai%3Aoaicat.iccd.org%3A%40ICCD11428967%40%2Fxml%2Fcards&metadataPrefix=oai_dc
ICCD11428967 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/HistoricOrArtisticProperty/1600215349
 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Value/1600215349-1-front-total-length-mnr

http://catalogo.beniculturali.it/oaitarget/OAIHandler?verb=GetRecord&identifier=oai%3Aoaicat.iccd.org%3A%40ICCD11444141%40%2Fxml%2Fcards&metadataPrefix=oai_dc
ICCD11444141 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/HistoricOrArtisticProperty/0800577432
 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Value/0800577432-1-front-total-length-mnr

http://catalogo.beniculturali.it/oaitarget/OAIHandler?verb=GetRecord&identifier=oai%3Aoaicat.iccd.org%3A%40ICCD12301925%40%2Fxml%2Fcards&metadataPrefix=oai_dc
ICCD12301925 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/HistoricOrArtisticProperty/0600172967
 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Value/0600172967-1-thickness-5

http://catalogo.beniculturali.it/oaitarget/OAIHandler?verb=GetRecord&identifier=oai%3Aoaicat.iccd.org%3A%40ICCD13564800%40%2Fxml%2Fcards&metadataPrefix=oai_dc
ICCD13564800 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/PhotographicHeritage/0800640579
 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/PreparatoryOrFinalWork/0800640579-positivo
 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/ConservationIntervention/0800640579-conservation-intervention-1
 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Inventory/0800640579-preparatory-final-work-inventory-p_000162

http://catalogo.beniculturali.it/oaitarget/OAIHandler?verb=GetRecord&identifier=oai%3Aoaicat.iccd.org%3A%40ICCD13670494%40%2Fxml%2Fcards&metadataPrefix=oai_dc
ICCD13670494 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/ArchitecturalOrLandscapeHeritage/1500391452
 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/HistoricalPlaque/1500391452-affixed-element-1
 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/CoatOfArms/1500391452-affixed-element-2
 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/CulturalEntityTechnicalStatus/1500391452-affixed-element-2
 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/CulturalEntityTechnicalStatus/1500391452-affixed-element-1

grazie

luigi-asprino commented 4 years ago

quindi il file nt generato da me conta 197 triple, quello con la dimostrazione 398, ne mancano 201, dove saranno finite? la risposta è nascosta in una eccezione muta del Converter

https://github.com/ICCD-MiBACT/ArCo/blob/f92aa630825b539db63b1f3a9023391db18d3460/ArCo-release/rdfizer/src/main/java/it/cnr/istc/stlab/arco/Converter.java#L306

le schede con caratteri UTF-8 estesi passano le trasformazioni ma vanno in errore durante la lettura sul modello se il dato è presente in uscita dalla trasformazione

org.apache.jena.riot.RiotException: [line: 346, col: 159] Invalid byte 3 of 3-byte UTF-8 sequence. ... at org.apache.jena.rdf.model.impl.ModelCom.read(ModelCom.java:305) at it.cnr.istc.stlab.arco.Converter.convert(Converter.java:305)

producendo un file nt incompleto

se l'encoding della piattaforma non è UTF-8, è necessario il parametro -Dfile.encoding=UTF-8 all'avvio della jvm, ma l'eccezione la farei galleggiare

queste le segnalazioni residue al netto delle correzioni

ho apportato la modifica suggerita nel commit 65ad3164795ce34dccae4306d3e90a495f7c5f12 Grazie!

Guardo il resto delle segnalazioni

luigi-asprino commented 4 years ago

http://catalogo.beniculturali.it/oaitarget/OAIHandler?verb=GetRecord&identifier=oai%3Aoaicat.iccd.org%3A%40ICCD11428967%40%2Fxml%2Fcards&metadataPrefix=oai_dc ICCD11428967 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/HistoricOrArtisticProperty/1600215349 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Value/1600215349-1-front-total-length-mnr

Penso che la tripla

<https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Measurement/1600215349-1-front-total-length> <https://w3id.org/arco/ontology/denotative-description/hasValue> <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Value/1600215349-1-front-total-length-> .

Dovrebbe essere

<https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Measurement/1600215349-1-front-total-length> <https://w3id.org/arco/ontology/denotative-description/hasValue> <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Value/1600215349-1-front-total-length-mnr> .

http://catalogo.beniculturali.it/oaitarget/OAIHandler?verb=GetRecord&identifier=oai%3Aoaicat.iccd.org%3A%40ICCD11444141%40%2Fxml%2Fcards&metadataPrefix=oai_dc ICCD11444141 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/HistoricOrArtisticProperty/0800577432 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Value/0800577432-1-front-total-length-mnr

Stesso problema del precedente.

http://catalogo.beniculturali.it/oaitarget/OAIHandler?verb=GetRecord&identifier=oai%3Aoaicat.iccd.org%3A%40ICCD12301925%40%2Fxml%2Fcards&metadataPrefix=oai_dc ICCD12301925 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/HistoricOrArtisticProperty/0600172967 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Value/0600172967-1-thickness-5

Stesso problema del precedente.

http://catalogo.beniculturali.it/oaitarget/OAIHandler?verb=GetRecord&identifier=oai%3Aoaicat.iccd.org%3A%40ICCD13564800%40%2Fxml%2Fcards&metadataPrefix=oai_dc ICCD13564800 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/PhotographicHeritage/0800640579 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/PreparatoryOrFinalWork/0800640579-positivo https://w3id.org/arco/resource/ConservationIntervention/0800640579-conservation-intervention-1 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Inventory/0800640579-preparatory-final-work-inventory-p_000162

@oibaf Gentilmente mi può spiegare meglio quale sia il problema qui? Ho rigenerato il file e sinceramente non capisco

http://catalogo.beniculturali.it/oaitarget/OAIHandler?verb=GetRecord&identifier=oai%3Aoaicat.iccd.org%3A%40ICCD13670494%40%2Fxml%2Fcards&metadataPrefix=oai_dc ICCD13670494 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/ArchitecturalOrLandscapeHeritage/1500391452 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/HistoricalPlaque/1500391452-affixed-element-1 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/CoatOfArms/1500391452-affixed-element-2 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/CulturalEntityTechnicalStatus/1500391452-affixed-element-2 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/CulturalEntityTechnicalStatus/1500391452-affixed-element-1

Anche qui non mi è chiaro il problema che nota, mi può gentilmente descrivere meglio il problema.

oibaf commented 4 years ago

grazie per gli interventi,

il problema è sempre il collegamento al bene: costruendo il grafo dei collegamenti a partire dalle risorse indicate non si raggiunge il bene; credo sia lecito supporre che, in uscita dalla trasformazione, le informazioni contenute nella scheda siano rappresentate da risorse collegate in un unico grafo, il problema è sia di rappresentazione dell'informazione sia, più prosaicamente, di coerenza nelle fasi di aggiornamento o cancellazione dei dati

non conosco il dominio a sufficienza per dare suggerimenti attendibili, nel caso di ICCD13564800 probabilmente la tripla <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/RelatedWorkSituation/0800640579-preparatory-final-work-1> <https://w3id.org/arco/ontology/context-description/involvesRelatedWork> <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/FinalWork/0800640579-positivo> . andrebbe riscritta come <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/RelatedWorkSituation/0800640579-preparatory-final-work-1> <https://w3id.org/arco/ontology/context-description/involvesRelatedWork> <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/PreparatoryOrFinalWork/0800640579-positivo> . dato che <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/FinalWork/0800640579-positivo> non è definito, con ciò risolvendo anche il problema di <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Inventory/0800640579-preparatory-final-work-inventory-p_000162>

la risorsa <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/ConservationIntervention/0800640579-conservation-intervention-1> potrebbe essere collegata al bene con <https://w3id.org/arco/ontology/context-description/hasIntervention>

ma noto anche che gli object in <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/PhotographicHeritage/0800640579> <https://w3id.org/arco/ontology/context-description/hasRelatedWorkSituation> <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/RelatedWorkSituation/0800640579-related-cultural-property-1-2> . e <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/PhotographicHeritage/0800640579> <https://w3id.org/arco/ontology/context-description/hasRelatedWorkSituation> <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/RelatedWorkSituation/0800640579-related-cultural-property-1-3> . non sono definiti

eccetera...

oibaf commented 4 years ago

segnalo un altro problema emerso in test nel partizionamento dei dati per regione, perché soggetto e oggetto non trovano corrispondenza nelle triple che collegano il bene e la località, ad esempio nel caso esaminato

<https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Address/6bf757705413f0feec080b80a274edf0> <https://w3id.org/arco/ontology/location/isCulturalPropertyAddressOf> <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/PhotographicHeritage/0800640579> .

<https://w3id.org/arco/resource/PhotographicHeritage/0800640579> <https://w3id.org/arco/ontology/location/hasCulturalPropertyAddress> <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Address/96325e0c5a3b2b64baa6ae0eeafcb821> .

ma la risorsa <https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Address/96325e0c5a3b2b64baa6ae0eeafcb821> non viene istanziata

luigi-asprino commented 4 years ago

grazie per la segnalazione, può indicare gentilmente da quale scheda ha generato i dati, così ci permette di riprodurre il problema.

oibaf commented 4 years ago

è sempre ICCD13564800, il caso analizzato sopra, ma credo sia comune a tutte le schede con il dato LC/PVC

grazie

ICCD-MiBACT commented 4 years ago

Questa issue è urgente perchè non ci consente di aggiornare i dati e organizzare i dataset per Regione

luigi-asprino commented 4 years ago

@ICCD-MiBACT ci stiamo lavorando grazie

valecarriero commented 4 years ago

l'errore di generazione dell'Address è stato risolto col commit https://github.com/ICCD-MiBACT/ArCo/commit/30a199a71a84b84944bb886a2ab460ceafd81749

oibaf commented 4 years ago

grazie per gli interventi, il problema con LC/PVC sembra risolto, ripetendo i test sulle schede esaminate si trovano però delle anomalie con la trasformazione introdotta di recente, ad esempio su ICCD11143519

Type error at char 43 in xsl:value-of/@select on line 601 column 65 XPTY0004: An empty sequence is not allowed as the first argument of arcofy() net.sf.saxon.s9api.SaxonApiException: An empty sequence is not allowed as the first argument of arcofy() at net.sf.saxon.s9api.XsltTransformer.transform(XsltTransformer.java:606) at it.cnr.istc.stlab.arco.Converter.convert(Converter.java:294)

https://github.com/ICCD-MiBACT/ArCo/blob/30a199a71a84b84944bb886a2ab460ceafd81749/ArCo-release/rdfizer/src/main/resources/META-INF/xslt/dublin-core.xslt#L601

ma ci sono casi analoghi anche sul dato AUFN, ora ho avviato la procedura per la rigenerazione dei dati sull'endpoint con correzioni sommarie alla trasformazione per evitare l'esclusione delle schede coinvolte, di seguito invece ancora problemi analoghi a quanto segnalato in precedenza

ICCD13564800

le risorse https://w3id.org/arco/resource/RelatedWorkSituation/0800640579-related-cultural-property-1-3 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/RelatedWorkSituation/0800640579-related-cultural-property-1-2 sono referenziate ma non implementate

ICCD13572843 caso analogo al precedente

ICCD13670494

https://w3id.org/arco/resource/AffixedElement/1500391452-affixed-element-1 e seguenti, anche qui c'è il riferimento ma manca l'implementazione

https://w3id.org/arco/resource/HistoricalPlaque/1500391452-affixed-element-1 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/CoatOfArms/1500391452-affixed-element-2 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/CulturalEntityTechnicalStatus/1500391452-affixed-element-1 https://w3id.org/arco/resource/CulturalEntityTechnicalStatus/1500391452-affixed-element-2

non si risolve il collegamento al bene, probabile conseguenza della mancata implementazione degli AffixedElement

ICCD5061694

le risorse https://w3id.org/arco/resource/AlternativeAuthorshipAttribution/0900293025-1 e seguenti non sono implementate

ICCD5537718

la risorsa https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Agent/0700025094-user-1 non dichiara rdf:type

ICCD4380149

la risorsa https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Title/0700103706-semipila-cum-eodem-ornatu non ha implementazione

grazie!

luigi-asprino commented 4 years ago

Dato che sono problemi molto differenti tra loro in quanto insistono su campi diversi delle schede di origine le chiedo gentilmente di aprire un'altra issue.

Collassare tutti i problemi in una singola issue rende complicata la gestione e vanifica lo sforzo di tracciamento dei problemi che stiamo cercando di fare mantenendo l'issue tracker. Tra l'altro questa issue è diventata lunghissima e difficile da leggere in quanto contiene cose molto problemi molto differenti tra loro. Se continuiamo a scriverci cose diverse tra loro in futuro sarà difficile recuperare le informazioni.

Può gentilmente aprire un altra issue relativa al campo che non verrebbe materializzato correttamente in RDF?

Le chiedo dedicare le issue a singoli specifici problemi identificati.

Grazie

oibaf commented 4 years ago

buongiorno Luigi,

il mio approccio non è tale da poter rilevare incongruenze nella semantica dei dati, più banalmente uso lo strumento fornito dalle librerie java di ArCo, per trasformare le schede catalografiche dal formato xml conforme agli standard ICCD in triple rdf

nel farlo incontro eccezioni generate dalle librerie o incongruenze negli rdf prodotti e il mio contributo consiste nella segnalazione dei problemi

capisco il bisogno di sintesi e specificità delle segnalazioni, lascerei però a chi ne ha le competenze l'onere di valutarne la rilevanza e l'opportunità di produrne una rappresentazione più organica per le esigenze di tracciamento delle anomalie

il fattore comune di queste segnalazioni mi sembra ben rappresentato dal titolo, per quanto generico, fatti salvi gli ulteriori problemi incontrati nella elaborazione delle schede coinvolte

grazie

luigi-asprino commented 4 years ago

il suo lavoro è prezioso per noi come è prezioso il lavoro di chiunque ci fa delle segnalazioni su incongruenze.

come in ogni repository github si consigliano delle linee di condotta agli utenti nelle segnalazioni. queste linee oltre ad aiutare a documentare il lavoro che viene fatto, lasciano traccia dei cambiamenti e aiutano anche ad organizzare il lavoro tra i vari contributor del progetto.

a noi come ad altri utenti del repository aiuterebbe molto suddividere le issue in problemi specifici con relativa descrizione, e penso di aver chiesto qualcosa perfettamente in linea con altri progetti open source. sono comunque aperto a suggerimenti su come migliorare la gestione delle issue.

detto questo, visto che per noi questo è necessario, ci prenderemo carico di questo chiudendo le issue troppo generiche e riaprendo delle issue più specifiche.

Sarà un notevole sforzo, ci saranno errori facendo questo (perché non siamo noi ad aver identificato il problema) e probabilmente renderà più difficile ad altri seguire, ma penso che sarà sicuramente meglio che avere una issue generica dove viene segnalato di tutto.

Andando ai casi specifici.

Il suo penultimo commento potrebbe essere facilmente spacchettato in più issues, lei infatti già fa una divisione a seconda delle entità coinvolte, basterebbe aprire una issue per ognuna delle cose che elenca nel suo commento. Per esempio:

una issue per il primo errore su AUTN e errore analogo su AUFN con schede su cui riprodurre l'errore
una seconda issue per https://w3id.org/arco/resource/RelatedWorkSituation/0800640579-related-cultural-property-1-3 e https://w3id.org/arco/resource/RelatedWorkSituation/0800640579-related-cultural-property-1-2 con schede su cui riprodurre l'errore
una terza issue per https://w3id.org/arco/resource/AffixedElement/1500391452-affixed-element-1 e casi analoghi per gli AffixedElement
una quarta issue per https://w3id.org/arco/resource/AlternativeAuthorshipAttribution/0900293025-1
una quinta issue per https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Agent/0700025094-user-1
una sesta issue per https://w3id.org/arco/resource/Title/0700103706-semipila-cum-eodem-ornatu

Dato che ognuna di queste segnalazioni, facilmente separabili, richiede interventi differenti sull'xslt, l'apertura di issues diverse ci permette di trattarle meglio.

luigi-asprino commented 4 years ago

I problemi segnalati in questa issue sono stati suddivisi nelle issue #78 #79 #80 #81 #82 #83 Fare riferimento a quei thread per monitorare gli avanzamenti.

oibaf commented 4 years ago

grazie per le integrazioni e per gli esempi Luigi, cercherò di conformarmi se dovessero ripresentarsi casi analoghi

ICCD-MiBACT / ArCo

entità collegate al bene #75