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Additional Fields in Measurement Point Level. #106

Closed agrangaraj closed 2 years ago

agrangaraj commented 3 years ago

We can include following attributes in Level 1.4 of WRA data model

  1. Measurement type: Rain (true or False), u, v, w, Sound (db), if we desired to expand this WRA model to wind power level we can consider to include Cumulative Energy, Daily Energy, Phase angle, Battery Power,
  2. Sensor_config->Measurement Unit id: km/hr, knot/s, mV, Whr, degree

The following field may not directly impact calculation but can we consider to include the following fields as an optional additional static details fields so that WRA data model can be used for both data analysis and to know the various static information about WRA project.

  1. Sensor->Calibration: 1. Next calibration due, 2. Calibration center address, Phone number, Contact person name, Designation
kersting commented 3 years ago

@agrangaraj thanks for sending these over. Here are my comments.

Measurement type

Sensor config

@stephenholleran we had a discussion about derived units when we were working with digital calibration certificates but I cannot remember what was the decision. Do you recall what was the decision?

Sensor:

I see many comments regarding calibrations. We have worked in a standard for digital calibration certificates. Some of the fields that you are considering actually have influence in energy assessments. For the data model we're trying to keep the model lean with only information that has direct impact in the energy calculations.

stephenholleran commented 2 years ago

As discussed in the meeting on 14th oct 2021 https://github.com/IEA-Task-43/digital_wra_data_standard/issues/77#issuecomment-943505382 we decided to incorporate u, v and w vector components.

Precipitation is already available to cover rain. If a true/false is required, this measurement type can still be used as the values and units are independent from the measurement type. Or the 'status' type could be used.

Power and energy are already covered.

stephenholleran commented 2 years ago

@kersting @abohara @sdsmdp @heikowestermann I have added cumulative_energy as it might be handy in some cases to have it available as suggested by @agrangaraj. Any objections?

stephenholleran commented 2 years ago

Regarding measurement units, a lot of the ones suggested will be covered by @heikowestermann based on his https://github.com/IEA-Task-43/digital_wra_data_standard/issues/100#issuecomment-948440244 Others already exist such as 'kWh' to cover 'Whr', 'deg' to cover 'degrees'. I am not sure of the usefulness of 'mV'. @agrangaraj if you could explain that would be great.

kersting commented 2 years ago

@agrangaraj could you please given an example on how is cumulative energy used in resource assessment?

stephenholleran commented 2 years ago

@agrangaraj could you please given an example on how is cumulative energy used in resource assessment?

I'm sure it isn't used in a resource assessment but it might be useful depending on what is been tracked by a small turbine or solar panels charging the battery. If these are charging a lidar they could be big enough and they may have cumulative energy. I don't see the harm in adding it but I do realise that I may open the flood gates.

kersting commented 2 years ago

My view is that as long as it has an application in resource assessment, it should be added otherwise not because it opens the door to add anything else and we will end up with an oversized model that is not appealing for new adopters. If a logger's battery is charged with a turbine that logs cumulative energy then I see it as useful.

I asked for an example to try to understand why this would be useful for resource assessment. I hope that the example can clarify why such variable is important.

abohara commented 2 years ago

If we are going to have cumulative energy, we would need to be more descriptive e.g. cumulative from start of life or specific date, or cumulative daily or monthly. That said, I agree with @kersting I can't recall a usecase where this has a direct bearing on WRA (though common in SCADA systems). It is far enough removed that perhaps the user can modify a local deployment to add this as a custom field.

stephenholleran commented 2 years ago

Fair points. I have removed it.