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IFBook / commentpress-core

CommentPress Core is a WordPress plugin for creating and debating social texts in social contexts. It replaces all previous plugins (standalone and multisite) and includes the default theme. Compatible with WordPress Standalone and Multisite, BuddyPress and Groupblogs.
https://www.futureofthebook.org/commentpress
GNU General Public License v2.0
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Standalone version ? (ehencement?) #85

Open jbonlinea opened 5 years ago

jbonlinea commented 5 years ago

Hi,

I recently started to dive into social/scientifiic publishing with wordpress and discovered your plugin. That's pretty amazing ! I assume it is an evolution of wp-side-comment and of wordpress inline comment. Both seems pretty old and abandonned ?

The question is, could commentpress be/work in a standalone version, I mean without being tied to a theme ?

Ok I inderstant that the plug-in took the road of a multisite book publishing / commenting software, but hey the ability to comment/review a post it has enables us have a much larger field of application if it can be integrated in virtually any theme. Yes some theming might be needed, but it's worth the cost is many case. I can think of a simple way to implement it, like on certain post-type only, which have their own template page in a child theme. as such the original theme would be kept and ready for upgrade, while the chld theme provide the needed post-type layout for comment press. Yes i'm a bit defending a narrow view of commentpress as an annotation tool. But why not, this would be very usefull. my point is to say, why not enable the various functionalities to be used independently, and together.

Annotator plug-in is out-dated and hypothes.is rely on external service we don't want.

So maybe it is a naive question, but it seems that commentpress has everything to fill a huge gap, but has grown and as feature were added, lost some implementation flexibility and use case !

gain thank's for your work and looking forward your feedback ! Cheers

christianwach commented 5 years ago

Hi @jbonlinea, thanks for your thoughts.

I assume it is an evolution of wp-side-comment and of wordpress inline comment.

CommentPress actually predates both of those plugins but thanks for letting me know that they're both seemingly abandoned.

the ability to comment/review a post as it enables us have a much larger field of application if it can be integrated in virtually any theme

I can assure you that this was tried. It proved to be too difficult to implement reliably - which is probably a factor in why the other plugins are now abandoned.

I can think of a simple way to implement it, like on certain post-type only, which have their own template page in a child theme. as such the original theme would be kept and ready for upgrade, while the child theme provide the needed post-type layout for commentpress.

That's the approach that Social Paper took. FWIW, it's based on "Inline Comments" plus "WP-FEE" (both of which are seemingly abandoned!) but you might like to try it if you're feeling brave.

The approach that I recommend with CommentPress is to use WordPress Multisite and have CommentPress active only on sites which require granular commenting.

Cheers, Christian

jbonlinea commented 5 years ago

Hi

Thank's for your prompt and instructive reply :)

I assume it is an evolution of wp-side-comment and of wordpress inline comment.

CommentPress actually predates both of those plugins but thanks for letting me know that they're both seemingly abandoned.

Ok, sorry I didn't look at the timing in details, I assume so due to the more advanced features commentpress has.

Also I can't state they are abandoned in the name of their developers, but it seems so :(

the ability to comment/review a post as it enables us have a much larger field of application if it can be integrated in virtually any theme

I can assure you that this was tried. It proved to be too difficult to implement reliably - which is probably a factor in why the other plugins are now abandoned.

This is actually the critical point of this post :) Yes I imagine you considered this road.

I can think of a simple way to implement it, like on certain post-type only, which have their own template page in a child theme. as such the original theme would be kept and ready for upgrade, while the child theme provide the needed post-type layout for commentpress.

That's the approach that Social Paper took. FWIW, it's based on "Inline Comments" plus "WP-FEE" (both of which are seemingly abandoned!) but you might like to try it if you're feeling brave.

Well I'll definitly have a try, but having a try and pushing something to production is two different stories.

Also I have seen that here is/was a way to extend inline comment to work with phrases . That would be enough granularity in most use case.

The approach that I recommend with CommentPress is to use WordPress Multisite and have CommentPress active only on sites which require granular commenting.

Yes it was my first thought, but is seems overkill to my usage, and there are barriers to implement this the way I want to use it.

The question is, as an outsider, why did you take the road you've choosen rather than the one of social paper ? it seems that implementing the approach of social paper, to deal with independent post, do not prevent to implement commentpress with a theme turn the whole site as a book as it actually does ?

I can think of commentpress as it is as a fully-featured package with theme, and without dedicated theme it would be like a library that the developper has to work with to integrate it on it's website.
Comment exist, replies too, so we are almost only speaking about design here right.

This would be a win-win :)

Cheers, Christian

Cheers