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Which INSPIRE theme covers power stations ? #49

Closed fantamir closed 2 years ago

fantamir commented 3 years ago

To which INSPIRE theme the dataset representing power stations belongs? I supposed, the theme III-8-PF Production and Industrial Facilities is the right one for this purpose, but, on the other hand, theme III-20-ER Energy resources is used in certain cases as well. Compare for example
https://inspire-geoportal.ec.europa.eu/results.html?country=de&view=details&theme=pf and https://inspire-geoportal.ec.europa.eu/results.html?country=de&view=details&theme=er Windkraftanlagen and Biogasanlagen are put by one country (Germany) to different INSPIRE themes, depending on the country region. Maybe, the option could be also to categorize the renewable sources power stations to the ER theme and fossil + nuclear fuel power stations to the PF theme, but I am not sure if such access is correct...

Thank you very much Miroslav Fanta CENIA, Czech Environmental Information Agency

JohannaOtt commented 3 years ago

Hi Miroslav,

First of all I agree that this is not an easy decision and would also appreciate feedback from the respective expert groups. I am specifically stuggling with wind turbines. The source data contains information such as coordinates, legal status, height, rated power. Here are my thoughts based on the documentation available:

Energy Resources

pro:

contra:

Production and Industrial Facilites

pro:

contra:

It would be great if someone from the wind turbine community and/or the thematic working groups of the two themes could provide feedback to this issue.

All the best

Johanna

heidivanparys commented 3 years ago

Would the utility networks themes be an option? A utility network element has an attribute utility facility reference, referring to an activity complex, see also https://inspire.ec.europa.eu/data-model/approved/r4618-ir/html/index.htm?goto=2:3:20:3:1:8885.

Tagging one of the authors of the Dutch data specifications regarding utilities (IMKL), based on INSPIRE, perhaps @PalmJanssen can help?

JohannaOtt commented 3 years ago

@heidivanparys I would not think that utility networks is an option here because of what is written in chapter 2.2.1 of the data specification:

Utility services and networks include the physical constructions for transport of defined utility products (namely pipelines for transport of oil, gas, chemicals, water, sewage and thermal products), transmission lines and cables (included those for transmission of electricity, phone and cable-TV signals) and other network elements for encasing pipes and cases (e.g. ducts, poles and towers). All kinds of transmission utility systems have nodes (e.g. pump stations), and they are linked to facilities for production and treatment of different kinds of utility products. These major production and treatment sites are described in the theme production and industrial facilities (Annex.III – PF). Six important types of utility networks are distinguished, namely Electricity Network, Oil, Gas & Chemicals Network, Sewer Network, Telecommunications Network, Thermal Network and Water Network. All these networks use the node-arc-node model, as defined in the Generic Network Model. Especially designed for a structured modelization of utility networks that allows its business use (estimation of propagation, calculation of capacities, etc.), the use of this node-arc-node model is also adapted for non-topological data, since the relation between nodes and arcs is optional.

As the datasets we are talking about here only contain wind turbines or similar power plants, I would not expect them in a schema where all networks should use the node-arc-node model.

PalmJanssen commented 3 years ago

@heidivanparys @JohannaOtt

About the use of activity complex:

heidivanparys commented 3 years ago

@PalmJanssen Thank you for your thoughts on this!

I am specifically stuggling with wind turbines.

@JohannaOtt My colleague @laers reminded me that that wind turbines can be provided in the Buildings theme, the code list for building nature has wind turbine as one of its values.

JohannaOtt commented 3 years ago

@PalmJanssen Thanks for the input - in my opinion there is no more dedicated feature type available than ProductionFacility (which is an ActivityComplex).

@heidivanparys I also considered Buildings but as the dataset is about wind turbines as power plants and not as specific buildings - we should take into account that the data specification for buildings states in chapter 5.3.1.1.4: "the attribute buildingNature that focuses on the physical aspect of the building; however, this physical aspect is often expressed as a function (e.g. stadium, silo, windmill); this attribute aims to fulfil mainly mapping purposes and addresses only specific, noticeable buildings. This is a rather short and simple list of possible values, with focus on two international use cases: air flights where buildings may be obstacles and marine navigation where buildings may be landmarks." Also, the same question occurs for solar power plants, biogas etc that do not have specific buildingNature values. I think it makes more sense if the community agrees to a handling that leads to all (at least renewable) power plants ending up in the same theme/feature type. This is why I do not think that Building is a good fit here.

sMorrone commented 3 years ago

Dear all, I would say that there is no" one size fits all", here. The most suitable INSPIRE theme depends on the source data to transform, I mean on the specific attributes that characterise the source data sets. So, if one needs to harmonise a datasets that focuses on the buildings as such, than the BU theme would be fine, conversely BU theme is not suitable if one needs to characterise the facility with the type of activity, the input and the output (then PF theme is more suitable).

KathiSchleidt commented 3 years ago

Just a short note supporting @JohannaOtt statement on I think it makes more sense if the community agrees to a handling that leads to all (at least renewable) power plants ending up in the same theme/feature type.

While I also agree with @sMorrone that there's no one size fits all here, I also (maybe naively) believe that similar topics across MS could/should have similar fits (e.g. similar available data). I DO see utilization of the same model across MS essential if we're aiming for supporting cross border use cases!

I'm at a loss how to organize such an approach, maybe direct targeting of known data providers searching for commonalities and ideally agreement?

sMorrone commented 3 years ago

@KathiSchleidt you are right utilization of the same model across MS essential if we're aiming for supporting cross border use cases! . Theoretically similar source data should lead to selection of same target data theme, but, unfortunately, theory is so different from practice. However, even the proposed approachdirect targeting of known data providers searching for commonalities and ideally agreement is really difficult to put into practice, though I see it feasible in particular cases. For example, I see interesting the approach used for the Priority datasets (and hope such an approach could be used for the HVD list, when this will be available): to have an indication (in the case of PDS this comes from the EEA) of the mapping to be adopted per each addressed source dataset.

KathiSchleidt commented 3 years ago

So one would need a parallel stakeholder to EEA but for the energy community - any insights who this could be from those providing this data?

JohannaOtt commented 3 years ago

I would say that there is no" one size fits all", here. The most suitable INSPIRE theme depends on the source data to transform, I mean on the specific attributes that characterise the source data sets.

While I also agree with @sMorrone that there's no one size fits all here,

@sMorrone @KathiSchleidt Agreed. I was referring to similar dataset representing/focusing on wind turbines as power plants in my comment - should have made that point clearer I guess.

conversely BU theme is not suitable if one needs to characterise the facility with the type of activity, the input and the output (then PF theme is more suitable)

@sMorrone This is also my assessment but there is for example no attribute to represent the capacity or height of the wind turbines which is typical information and gets lost with this modeling. This is why I was asking if any of the contributors of the different data specifications has any more input on if power plants were considered during model creation.

fantamir commented 3 years ago

Dear colleagues,

thank you very much for your contribution to the discussion. To be honest, I am surprised, that the conclusion is not unequivocal.

With regard to the standpoint of the experts from the Czech Office for Surveying, Mapping and Cadastre, we have decided to use the INSPIRE theme III-8-PF Production and Industrial Facilities for power stations dataset. One of the key arguments is also the occurence of the mandatory attribute "function" in the ProductionFacility type of the III-8-PF theme data model. According to the documentation available, the NACE code is preferred in this attribute for the description of the activity. Next, the NACE codelist contains an item D.35.11 "Production of electricity" (see [https://inspire.ec.europa.eu/codelist/EconomicActivityNACEValue/D.35.11]). The wording of its definition is following: "This class includes: operation of generation facilities that produce electric energy; including thermal, nuclear, hydroelectric, gas turbine, diesel and renewable. This class excludes: production of electricity through incineration of waste, see 38.21".

I fully agree with the comment, that specific attributes important for the potential users of the power stations dataset are missing in the theme III-8-PF data model (e.g. type of the energy source (gas, wind, water, ...), power station performance, height in the case of wind turbines, ...). Since the proposal and implementation of the INSPIRE data model extension seems to be a complicated issue, we intend to solve this problem by simple adding of the additional parameters to the data model (modification of the XSD schema downloaded form the INSPIRE web pages). We have already tested this access in two other INSPIRE themes and the resulting GML files were succesfully tested by the INSPIRE validator. I am understanding, that such extension of the data model is not "official", but the process is fast and easy, list of added attributes can be quicky modified with regard to the content of original source data and harmonised output GML data are accepted by validator. The newly added parameters and their content have to be easily understable for potential data users, of course. To summarize this description - data are harmonised with INSPIRE requirements and, in addition, no important attributes are lost and the users will immediately understand the extended structure of the data.

KathiSchleidt commented 3 years ago

@fantamir to my understanding extending INSPIRE models by adding attributes is not THAT difficult (seems that on a technical level you can handle, are only worried on the administrative aspects of this work). Be careful NOT to confuse extending INSPIRE Schemas with the requirements to a Good Practice (different issue!)

You mention that you'd extended INSPIRE XSDs had successfully validated these - could you provide more info on this? I've long been curious how the Validator deals with such extensions!

fantamir commented 3 years ago

Dear Kathi,

attached you can find the XSD schema for INSPIRE theme III/7 Environmental Monitoring Facilities with 4 additional attributes (file EnvironmentalMonitoringFacilities_ExtendedCZ_test.xsd, rows 553 - 567) and a sample of harmonised GML file based on this XSD schema (file r18AQ_pollutants_sample1_GML_test.gml, additional attributes are on rows 52-55 and 80-83).

Validation result is available here: https://inspire.ec.europa.eu/validator/test-run/details.html?id=EID0f47ff42-8616-49d8-8025-de91e6032afc. Without any connection with the data model modification, the test report indicates coordinate reference system error - see https://github.com/INSPIRE-MIF/helpdesk-validator/issues/617 for details.

III-7-EF_DataModel_AdditionalAttributes.zip

KathiSchleidt commented 3 years ago

Hi Miroslav,

interesting approach! I'd have provided these yearly values as measurements from the EF, but having it directly integrated could be useful for various use cases.

However, I worry a bit about your schema modification - validates at present as Annex III Themes are not yet being checked against the Schema, but do worry about what will happen once this is integrated to the validator.

I've done a quick hack, extended EF to EF_CZ, that provided the additional attributes you've proposed: EF_CZ.zip

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