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color-magnitude relation with dust model #53

Open changhoonhahn opened 4 years ago

changhoonhahn commented 4 years ago

Without any prescription for dust attenuation, all of the simulations struggled to reproduce the optical and UV color-magnitude relation SDSS. With the dust model at the median ABC posterior values, the simulations are able to roughly reproduce SDSS observations. Let's examine how the dust model is producing better agreement.

optical color-magnitude

Here's a plot of SFR-M relation (left) and optical color-magnitude relations without dust (center) and with dust (right) image We mark galaxy populations with different SSFRs on the SFR-M diagram. Focusing on TNG and EAGLE, which have more converged posteriors:

UV color magnitude

Now here's a plot of the SFR-M* relation (left) and UV color-magnitude relations without dust (center) and with dust (right) image

main take-away

remaining questions

changhoonhahn commented 4 years ago

The low SSFR quiescent galaxies in TNG with blue colors are caused by quiescent galaxies with flat/positive slopes.

TStarkenburg commented 4 years ago

If the attenuation curve is flat/positive for some low SSFR galaxies then that should be only the case for specific Mstar values, right (because in the model the slope has a Mstar and SSFR dependency and no flexibility otherwise)? Are the blue low-SSFR galaxies dwarfs?

TStarkenburg commented 4 years ago

BTW this may sound a bit silly, but could you double check that part of the purple population is not reddened out of the NUV-FUV range (i.e. NUV-FUV > 4), especially for SIMBA? It seems there are just way less purple points in the dust-added panels, are those dropped out because of the large overal attenuation (i.e. dropped in the magnitude axis), or because of reddening (dropped out in the color axis)?

changhoonhahn commented 4 years ago

If the attenuation curve is flat/positive for some low SSFR galaxies then that should be only the case for specific Mstar values, right (because in the model the slope has a Mstar and SSFR dependency and no flexibility otherwise)? Are the blue low-SSFR galaxies dwarfs?

The attenuation curve is flat/positive for low SSFR TNG galaxies with log M > 10.5. Most log M < 10.5 quiescent galaxies are attenuated out of the luminosity cut. Blue is the ~starburst population.

BTW this may sound a bit silly, but could you double check that part of the purple population is not reddened out of the NUV-FUV range (i.e. NUV-FUV > 4), especially for SIMBA? It seems there are just way less purple points in the dust-added panels, are those dropped out because of the large overal attenuation (i.e. dropped in the magnitude axis), or because of reddening (dropped out in the color axis)?

I wouldn't focus on the SIMBA plots yet. The ABC posteriors for SIMBA definitely haven't converged yet. For TNG and EAGLE, the low M* and low SSFR galaxies are attenuated out of the sample.

TStarkenburg commented 4 years ago

If the attenuation curve is flat/positive for some low SSFR galaxies then that should be only the case for specific Mstar values, right (because in the model the slope has a Mstar and SSFR dependency and no flexibility otherwise)? Are the blue low-SSFR galaxies dwarfs?

The attenuation curve is flat/positive for low SSFR TNG galaxies with log M > 10.5. Most log M < 10.5 quiescent galaxies are attenuated out of the luminosity cut. Blue is the ~starburst population.

Sorry, I meant the low SSFR quiescent galaxies in TNG with blue colors, but you answered that anyway. Thanks for checking the mass range. I think its interesting that a for high mass galaxies and low SSFR the attenuation curve flattens/is positive. Have to think a bit about how to interpret that.

BTW this may sound a bit silly, but could you double check that part of the purple population is not reddened out of the NUV-FUV range (i.e. NUV-FUV > 4), especially for SIMBA? It seems there are just way less purple points in the dust-added panels, are those dropped out because of the large overal attenuation (i.e. dropped in the magnitude axis), or because of reddening (dropped out in the color axis)?

I wouldn't focus on the SIMBA plots yet. The ABC posteriors for SIMBA definitely haven't converged yet. For TNG and EAGLE, the low M* and low SSFR galaxies are attenuated out of the sample.

Ok, thanks! For TNG especially, that still means an attenuation of >~2 magnitudes for that population, right?

changhoonhahn commented 4 years ago

comaprison to literature

Trayford+(2015)

z = 0.1 galaxies from the EAGLE simulation suite using the GALAXEV population synthesis models ... using a two-component screen model

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Trayford+(2017)

EAGLE hydrodynamical simulation at redshift z = 0.1, modelling dust with the SKIRT Monte Carlo radiative transfer code

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Nelson+(2018)

optical colors using a dust model that includes attenuation due to dense gas birth clouds surrounding young stellar populations and also due to simulated distribution of neutral gas and metals

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