Closed John-Holt-Tessella closed 4 years ago
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From the manual it looks like the power supply is a standard Kepco. Is the hardware the same as the other Kepcos we have at ISIS? If so we already can control:
- Reset
- Remote
- Current read/write
- Voltage read/write
- Mode set read/write (either voltage or current)
Did you need any other control or readbacks? The power supply is capable of another 50+ commands, we do not want to implement the whole suite if you are not using any of the commands.
From the look of the smart monitor it can only do 6 things and getting the status is not included; I assume we can just do all the items in the list. I am a bit worried that the status indicator led does not seem to have a direct output. We can get back the “Current temperature and voltages from Magnet” but not the status directly. Is this ok?
@kjwoodsISIS to look at this
Reply from Supplier:
We don’t have a specific “status” command that replicates the light on the front panel, however we do have a physical relay contact on the back panel which allows a “Good/Bad” signal to be interrogated. Will this suffice?
Otherwise we can look at the feasibility to alter the software to include a custom command if required.
1pt for the review
Scientist contacted: 23 April 2020 16:35. Awaiting reply.
Questions from IBEX team & response (in italics) from scientist (Christy) on 24 April 2020 16:57:
Additional response from scientist (Rob) on 24 April 2020 17:50:
I would be surprised if the power supply spec for this is the same as a normal Kepco. It’s a super conducting device. Do we have anything else superconducting running with a Kepco power supply. I would expect ramp rates, quench detection etc to be much more prominent.
Reply to scientists on 27 April 2020 10:22:
Thanks for the update Christy. I agree with Rob, I would expect to see more about how the entire system should be controlled to achieve the desired magnetic field. But, as far as I can tell, we have no such information. All the information we (in the Experiment Controls team) have about the HTS system is listed in ticket #5287 plus the following manuals.
This suggests to me that there is a lot more manufacturer documentation that we have not seen. Has the manufacturer provided additional material?
The supplier has confirmed that the device is a high-temperature superconducting (HTS) magnet, not a low-temperature superconducting magnet (LTS). HTS devices behave differently from LTS devices, therefore, a conventional PSU, such as a Kepco, is sufficient.
Response from Supplier:
As far as you might have known, the quench properties of HTS magnets are very different with those of LTS magnets. We do use our smart magnet monitors to protect our magnets. We don’t need to use specialist superconducting power supplies as we do not need, nor employ, their quench-detection circuitry which has been developed and optimised for LTS magnets. We also don’t need the persistent switch heater capability commonly built into those types of supplies. Besides this, the conventional supplies offer better flexibility in terms of voltage and current ratings and so can be a better matched to the operating points of our HTS magnets. Further, we have more experience with the ability of the conventional power supplies to absorb energy during magnet discharge.
Please let me know if you have any further questions.
Response from scientist (Rob):
Ok, that’s interesting. It will certainly be good to see how they set things up for low currents and maintain stability. We found that the low resistance was a problem for standard supplies that was strongly dependent on how they monitored voltage. e.g. you apply 50A and the system tries to keep everything stable but if the voltage is very low that can be a problem and we had no end of bother on the HTS coils on the Wollaston prism. I’m sure that they’ve worked this all out. I’m more interested in the supplies themselves.
Can you forward on the exact specs of the supply again. I’m assuming that they come with the unit.
Thanks
Rob
Additional information from supplier (forwarded by scientists 28/04/2020):
Hi All This magnet is driven by two KEPCO BOP 6-125MG units which are connected in parallel to provide up to 250 A @ 6V. Regarding the question about the monitor, could you advise your requirement in details. Our control engineer who I have copied in, would be very happy to answer the questions.
For info, the driver on the Kepo web site says it is for Linux but it is actually stream device so should be fine on windows too.
Response from supplier regarding LED status on the Smart Monitor front panel. They have agreed to extend the response from the STAT command (documented in the manual) to include an enumerated status value:
There’s is a STAT command (accessible via tcp/up serial). At the end of the string of temperatures/voltages etc there is an enumerated status value. (1-4) which corresponds to the table from your email I believe.
Additional technical information (reflecting the previous comment) is now in the Additional Technical Information from HTS.pdf
document in the Manuals\HTS
folder in the shared directory.
Manufacturer is forecasting delivery for early September 2020.
Scientists are expecting to commission the HTS system in October (probably 2nd half of October).
02/07/2020 - Scientist replied:
...the last thing is to with setting the Field either by typing a field or by setting a current directly with appropriate Max and minimum limits.
You need to be able to set currents for when you inevitably end up running without a calibration. For whatever reason and you calibrate after the fact. We run the GMW like this for the reason we are constantly moving the poles in and out, and calibrating happens as best we can. We just note the pole gap for each case.
This could be an option you select, wither set field or set current (Which would be in units of amps.)
02/07/2020 - Scientist asked HTS Supplier: Are the ramp rates, current, voltage limits etc set in the controller or can they be set via a VI? HTS Supplier replied:
The monitor has limits on differential voltages, current and temperatures for protection. Limits on ramping voltage and current can be set in the power supply. So you can set a VI to control ramp rates in the power supply.
Schematics of OPI are here:
There is now sufficient information on the HTS magnet to be able to create implementation tickets (see #5577). Ready for review.
As a POLREF instrument scientist I would like to commission the HTS system using IBEX in November, so I will need a driver. As a developer I need to find out more about the system and what controls are appropriate, with expert help (maybe from cryogenics/power supplies too)
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