Closed RappsFF7 closed 2 months ago
It seems when the quests were first imported into DFU in September 2016 this quest lacked those lines of dialog. I fired up the Steam version of classic and confirmed those lines are present.
I'm guessing either a) this is one of the quests unable to be decompiled by the Template tool, and it was inaccurately reconstructed, or b) the text was modified in a patch to classic Daggerfall, perhaps in a fan-made patch. Someone might have to fire up 1.0 to figure it out, although the original import was implied to be from that version. Either way, it makes me wonder what other undocumented dialog changes there are in DFU.
Nulfaga does eventually tell you the password near the end of the game, which is why this text accessible earlier in the game was likely added/removed.
I think we have some confusion here. The wiki article you link is for quest S0000005, yet the quest in your repro steps is S0000003. You might be surprised to find that this dialogue is in both quests, and DFU has the "shut up" part in S0000005 and not S0000003. Since the wiki does not mention it for S0000003, I assume it's not meant to be accessible. Can you reproduce these steps with S0000005 to confirm?
Unless I missed something, I assume this issue is just a mix up, and not actually a divergence in regular gameplay.
It's true, I did link S0000005 because I thought the dialog was simply in the wrong location on the wiki (since I saw 90% of it in S0000003).
It turns out you are correct, the hint shows up in S0000005 and is removed in S0000003. Sorry I didn't notice that. Those quest lines diverge and I only experienced one of them.
What a weird choice from Bethesda!
Screenshot (with quest S0000005 active)
@Mentill I missed your comment somehow! Did you try this on S0000003 and found them to be present, or S0000005? Yes, my assumption was they were an error in the text templating (but I haven't looked in the code so it's just a guess).
I didn't check the stream original version because I'm not sure if there are debug commands to get there quickly (I've only just gotten into Daggerfall since the release of DFU).
I may have prematurely closed the ticket if it's actually a discrepancy between original and DFU.
Looks like it's correct in DFU. The steam release of Daggerfall also has the lines different between S0000003 and S0000005.
Guess I'd have to ask the Bethesda employee who took it out to get any more answers. 😆
Steam release of Daggerfall
[steamapps]/common/The Elder Scrolls Daggerfall/DF/DAGGER/ARENA2/S0000003.QRC
Say, what strange motive, Goddess! could compelý an arrow to my beloved Lysandus' bare throat?ý Did he die there mourned and blessed or areý my pretty birdies all turned to graywings?ý I search the afterworld, the underworld, andý the world-between and no where do I find theý lightness of my son. Oh, madness to thyý breast I cling suckling!
[steamapps]/common/The Elder Scrolls Daggerfall/DF/DAGGER/ARENA2/S0000005.QRC
Say, what strange motive, Goddess! could compelý an arrow to my beloved Lysandus' bare throat?ý Did he die there mourned and blessed or areý my pretty birdies all turned to graywings?ý Oh doorway to my heart, shut up lest I sunderý thee. I search the afterworld, the underworld,ý and the world-between and no where do I findý the lightness of my son. Oh, madness to thyý breast I cling suckling!
I just ran up to the questgiver rather than activating a particular quest number, I forget if debug mode allows that. I forgot there were two files for that quest with nearly-identical dialog.
I just ran up to the questgiver rather than activating a particular quest number, I forget if debug mode allows that. I forgot there were two files for that quest with nearly-identical dialog.
Ah, thanks for clarifying. Yea, it's a strange choice for the dialog.
And thanks to both of you for helping figure this out! I didn't mean to send us on a wild goose chase.
Description
According to the unofficial wiki (https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Concern_for_Nulfaga). Speaking to Nulfaga during the quest to get the unicorn horn (S0000003), she tells the player one of the following:
"United thoughts and counsels, equal hope and hazard in the once glorious enterprise joined with me once, now misery hath joined in equal ruin! Eternal, eternal, eternal ruin. I tell the door to my soul to shut up. Oh, my child, why wouldst thou not listen, thy ear, thy glorious mortal face, thy throat, and the arrow. Oh misery."
"Choosing out few words most horrible, let none them read! Verses, verses frame which with and other spells like terrible curses Heaven! Curse Oblivion! My boy! My boy is dead and let Tamriel tremble until he and I findeth peace denied. Shut up the door to his tomb and my home."
"Say, what strange motive, Goddess! could compel an arrow to my beloved Lysandus' bare throat? Did he die there mourned and blessed or are my pretty birdies all turned to graywings? Oh doorway to my heart, shut up lest I sunder thee. I search the afterworld, the underworld, and the world-between and no where do I find the lightness of my son. Oh, madness to thy breast I cling suckling!"
"We are only like dead walls or vaulted graves, that, ruined, yield no echo. Oh, this gloomy world, in what a shadow or deep pit of darkness doth, womanish and fearful, mankind live. How came Lysandus by his death? In a mist, I know not how. Oblivion not come yet? Shut up mine door and keep out its gray skies. I'll move it nearer by a perspective, or make a glass that shall set all the world on fire upon an instant. I cannot sleep; my pillow is stuffed with a litter of porcupines."
However, in Daggerfall Unity there are a few key word missing from each of these, making the puzzle to quickly enter and leave impossible to solve.
"United thoughts and counsels, equal hope and hazard in the once glorious enterprise joined with me once, now misery hath joined in equal ruin! Eternal, eternal, eternal ruin.
I tell the door to my soul to shut up.Oh, my child, why wouldst thou not listen, thy ear, thy glorious mortal face, thy throat, and the arrow. Oh misery.""Choosing out few words most horrible, let none them read! Verses, verses frame which with and other spells like terrible curses Heaven! Curse Oblivion! My boy! My boy is dead and let Tamriel tremble until he and I findeth peace denied.
Shut up the door to his tomb and my home.""Say, what strange motive, Goddess! could compel an arrow to my beloved Lysandus' bare throat? Did he die there mourned and blessed or are my pretty birdies all turned to graywings?
Oh doorway to my heart, shut up lest I sunder thee.I search the afterworld, the underworld, and the world-between and no where do I find the lightness of my son. Oh, madness to thy breast I cling suckling!""We are only like dead walls or vaulted graves, that, ruined, yield no echo. Oh, this gloomy world, in what a shadow or deep pit of darkness doth, womanish and fearful, mankind live. How came Lysandus by his death? In a mist, I know not how. Oblivion not come yet?
Shut up mine door and keep out its gray skies.I'llmoveit nearer by a perspective, or make a glass that shall set all the world on fire upon an instant. I cannot sleep; my pillow is stuffed with a litter of porcupines."Took me a while to figure that out I was missing something. I was trying all my favorite text puzzle solutions I could think of like looking at the first letter of each word or sentence. Just the capital letters. Nulfaga, Lysandus, open, mellon, banana.
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Windows 11 Pro 22h2 Daggerfall Unity Release 1.1.1
Screenshots were taken with mods, but it was reproducible without mods.