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Add pre-treatment column #92

Open gavinmcnicol opened 5 years ago

gavinmcnicol commented 5 years ago

It may be helpful to add controlled vocabulary to a new radiocarbon pre-treatment column in the layer tab, for sample pre-treatments performed as final step before radiocarbon analysis. For example, acid treatments to remove carbonates (e.g. used at University of Arizona). This is different to the frc_scheme which also includes schemes including use of acid because the pre-treatment is not necessarily to isolate a particular fraction. Extensive discussion during the Stanford ISRaD day.

jb388 commented 5 years ago

This sounds like a reasonable idea, but difficult to apply retroactively, i.e. to previously ingested templates. If we add this to the layer table we should probably also add it to fraction table. Open to more discussion.

alkalifly commented 5 years ago

I agree that it would be nice to include this information (it is definitely available from many of the original papers). And I don't think it should be added to the fraction table, since it would only be for treatments that get done to the entire layer, before bulk measurements are made, and before any layer fractionation takes place.

kjmcfarlane commented 5 years ago

Yes please! Bulk for sure. One column could at least give enough info to give folks a heads up that a pretreatment was used - if they care about the method they could go find it.It’s possible someone could do a fractionation with particle size and still pretreat the fractions before 14C - the silt and clay size fractions for example. I think it’s rare for people to pretreat density or chemical fractionation residues though.

greymonroe commented 5 years ago

Should be fine, as long as it is not required for all data. First, can you provide a list of controlled vocab for this proposed column? This list needs to be decided definitively (can never be changed later) before the column can be added.

kjmcfarlane commented 5 years ago

I was thinking initially to make it a "radiocarbon pretreatment" column with "yes or blank" - like the composited sample question. But if you want to make it a pull down a complete list (as far as I can think of!) would be: none decanted acid only decanted acid and base acid fumigated acid no removal other

This is the most complete list I can think of. A shorter one could be: none acid only carbonate removal other

I can give a description for the template info file if that is useful. A second opinion from someone at MPI or UCI that handles sample prep for 14C would be good if you can get one.

Karis

kjmcfarlane commented 5 years ago

"acid no removal" is kind of confusing. I mean that the sample acidified with liquid acid and the acid left in the sample. I can try to explain better if it's not clear!