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OSIS Statenvertaling (Dutch) with apocrypha
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Check Strong's numbers for divineNames #11

Open lemtom opened 3 years ago

lemtom commented 3 years ago

cf. I observe that within CrossWire's source text for the flagship KJV module, the word Lord is never marked with a w element for the Strong's number H3068 - not even for any w element whatsoever.

The extracted data is as follows for the KJV:

00308   <divineName>God</divineName>
00001   <divineName>Jah</divineName>
00008   <divineName>Jehovah</divineName>
06517   <divineName>Lord</divineName>
00110   <divineName>Lord’s</divineName>

For STV.xml the extracted data is:

00004   <divineName><w lemma="strong:G1203">Heere</w></divineName>
00001   <divineName><w lemma="strong:G1413">Heere</w></divineName>
00002   <divineName><w lemma="strong:G2960">Heeren</w></divineName>
00004   <divineName><w lemma="strong:G2962">heeren</w></divineName>
00670   <divineName><w lemma="strong:G2962">Heeren</w></divineName>
00001   <divineName><w lemma="strong:G80">Heeren</w></divineName>
00040   <divineName><w lemma="strong:H113">Heere</w></divineName>
00431   <divineName><w lemma="strong:H136">Heere</w></divineName>
00027   <divineName><w lemma="strong:H3050">Heere</w></divineName>
06462   <divineName><w lemma="strong:H3068">Heere</w></divineName>
00305   <divineName><w lemma="strong:H3069">Heere</w></divineName>
00001   <divineName><w lemma="strong:H3519">Heeren</w></divineName>
00001   <divineName><w lemma="strong:H3548">Heeren</w></divineName>
00005   <divineName><w lemma="strong:H430">Heere</w></divineName>
00002   <divineName><w lemma="strong:H4756">Heere</w></divineName>
00001   <divineName><w lemma="strong:H5650">Heeren</w></divineName>
00001   <divineName><w lemma="strong:H6635">Heeren</w></divineName>

Originally posted by @DavidHaslam in https://github.com/Isidore-Guild/statenvertaling/issues/8#issuecomment-668834737

lemtom commented 3 years ago

Quick initial check with Strong's dictionaries and their KJV translations:

G1203 (Lord, master), G1413 (Potentate, Prince, but used to refer to God), G2960 (belonging to the Lord, in older Dutch as a grammatical case), G2962 (Master, lord -- maybe the lowercase version should not be tagged with divineName though), H113 (Lord, sir), H3050 (Lord, Jah), H136 (Lord, of the Lord), H3068 (Lord, God Jehovah), H3069 (God, Lord), H430 (God, god), H4756 (Lord, of God, of King),

G80, H3519, H3548, H5650 and H6635 seem incorrect. Will look into that. My guess is that something like "(noun) of the lord" being parsed as "noun (of the lord)" happened, as all forms are in an old grammatical case.

lemtom commented 3 years ago
DavidHaslam commented 3 years ago

It's a rule in OSIS that one should only use the divineName element to mark the translation (or transliteration) of the Hebrew tetragrammaton and its cognate form Jah.

This means that it's not to be used for the occurrences of Lord or Heere found in translations of the Greek NT - or for that matter the Greek DC books from the LXX.

lemtom commented 3 years ago

This should be resolved now.

DavidHaslam commented 3 years ago

Thanks. @lemtom

I'll hold on before doing the next download in view of the further issues I added - especially #13

LAfricain commented 3 years ago

Hello, I have still an issue during validation. Can you have a look?

xmllint --noout --schema ~/.bin/osisCore.2.1.1.xsd STV.xml 

STV.xml:25131: element divineName: Schemas validity error : Element '{http://www.bibletechnologies.net/2003/OSIS/namespace}divineName': This element is not expected. Expected is one of ( {http://www.bibletechnologies.net/2003/OSIS/namespace}a, {http://www.bibletechnologies.net/2003/OSIS/namespace}index, {http://www.bibletechnologies.net/2003/OSIS/namespace}note, {http://www.bibletechnologies.net/2003/OSIS/namespace}seg ).
STV.xml fails to validate

The right way to write it is:

 <divineName><w lemma="strong:H3068">Heeren</w></divineName>
DavidHaslam commented 3 years ago

Simples!

The BibleTechnologies site went AWOL several years ago.

There’s a copy of the .xsd file somewhere on the CrossWire server. Check the wiki for precise details.

https://wiki.crosswire.org/

Aside: Using a local copy would also be faster.

Best regards,

David Haslam

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On 31 Dec 2020, at 10:57, LAfricain notifications@github.com wrote:

 Hello, I have still an issue during validation. Can you have a look?

xmllint --noout --schema ~/.bin/osisCore.2.1.1.xsd STV.xml

STV.xml:25131: element divineName: Schemas validity error : Element '{http://www.bibletechnologies.net/2003/OSIS/namespace}divineName': This element is not expected. Expected is one of ( {http://www.bibletechnologies.net/2003/OSIS/namespace}a, {http://www.bibletechnologies.net/2003/OSIS/namespace}index, {http://www.bibletechnologies.net/2003/OSIS/namespace}note, {http://www.bibletechnologies.net/2003/OSIS/namespace}seg ). STV.xml fails to validate

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LAfricain commented 3 years ago

Hi David, No the problem is not the validation, but the osis file. seems to be wrong placed.

LAfricain commented 3 years ago

With the changes in my new pull request the osis validates.