Balancing PD M4 usage

[Psyanine]

Describe the current reason for this balance request To balance M4 usage within PD. I currently feel like people are relying on it too much / it being the first line of defence.

Describe the solution you'd like Restrict the amount of M4s on PD Troopers (by troopers I mean any staff high enough rank to pull out m4). Currently there are approx 44 PD staff that are high enough rank to pull these out, and at any given time there can be a large amount of them accessible to PD clocked on. I think this should be restricted to 1 M4 per 4 troopers clocked on, regardless of rank, including cadets. Unless there is a situation where criminals are visibly carrying automatic weapons. I.e a bank job where people inside are carrying ARs etc.

Perhaps match force i.e if there are 4 robbers inside, if any amount of automatic weapons are seen, PD can have M4s matching the number of robbers inside. Commanding officer is responsible for assigning m4 carriers, after the situation any extras must be turned back in via confiscation etc. Failure to report carrying an M4 when not required or assigned will result in PD punishment/disciplinary.

Additional context Although M4s are a vital tool of the PD I believe they are also relied upon too much and give too much power / defence when chasing criminals etc. I.e PD member can chase armed criminals without any cover/negligently due to the reliance on the m4s power.

M4s should focus on disabling vehicles / wheels and only on spraying the criminal down once the criminal has made an obvious attempt to shoot / kill citizens / PD.

[YaBoiAthensguy]

1) This is completely dumb in my opinion 2) This is for PD Command, not for Jarrrk.

[Psyanine]

I'm aware putting it here for visibility and to open discussion. Also wanted to mention that with the influx of newer players who may not have access to heavy weaponry that lower down criminals might feel very powerless to engage with crim rp / interaction with pd.

[Psyanine]

Also the matched forces was just a suggestion for implementation in situations where they are required there are multiple solutions to responding to heavily armed suspects, this is just one.

[bladesoffury98]

I think this is a good idea, having been in PD for a long time some of the best shootouts have been when the weapons and use of force have matched that of the criminals, more intense and more enjoyable for both parties involved.

The one thing I will say however is that having to return to PD to pick up the M4 is a little unnecessary, those who have earned the right to use the M4 should be able to do exactly that. They should be able to carry the weapon on them at all times, however the weapon should only be deployed when class 2 or heavy weaponry has been seen at a crime scene (a robbery or other situation). I don't think restricting to 1 m4 per 4 troopers is the best way to do it, if we see heavy weaponry on scene those who are able to use m4's should pull them. I think the rule should be, if we see heavy weaponry we will respond with equally balanced weaponry (you've made the decision to make the situation more intense, if you bring only pistols we will use only pistols, if you use shotguns so will we, any automatic weaponry we will use m4s).

With regard to the additional information, I don't think any troopers should be using their M4 if the suspect hasn't immediately made an obvious attempt to shoot.

[Psyanine]

The not always carrying an m4 was more to also lower the low quality roleplay around people treating cops like a loot pinata, given the street value of the m4 etc. Guess the only way to avoid this would be to have a function for the m4 to be "locked" to the vehicle and pulled out and put back.

[bladesoffury98]

I think that's a great idea and I totally understand and appreciate the desire to prevent people from just using officers as loot boxes. I just think that if you have earned the right to use the weapon, you should at least have the option to do so, which might require the addition of a feature allowing a more physical racking of weapon.

[jensenferdy]

PD related 'issue' if you want to call it that. Not balancing at all. If people are licensed to carry a M4 they will do. It might not always need to be unracked but at least it is in the car if needs be. This "matched forces" thing is already a thing. We do not pull M4s for traffic stops or similar misdemeanour charges. If you experience a trooper using his M4 with way too much strength then you should put in a formal complaint against that officer. SASP shouldn't have to implement a SOP or whatever that says "if they use pistols we use pistols" this is mad.

[Jarrrk]

We do not pull M4s for traffic stops or similar misdemeanour charges

@JensenFerdinand certain people absolutely do just that.

This is completely dumb in my opinion

@YaBoiAthensguy don't express an 'opinion' if you're not going to actually be constructive and provide something with your 'opinion'.

This can stay open as 'PD related issues' don't ever get attention or solved unless it's forcing them to do something or publicize a reply.

[IThinkUFailed]

We do not pull M4s for traffic stops or similar misdemeanour charges

@JensenFerdinand certain people absolutely do just that.

Then a formal complaint needs to be taken against said troopers that do this so that action can be undertaken.

[Jarrrk]

a formal complaint

@IThinkUFailed filing a complaint against the SASP is like writing a letter, then immediately setting the letter on fire.

[IThinkUFailed]

a formal complaint

@IThinkUFailed filing a complaint against the SASP is like writing a letter, then immediately setting the letter on fire.

If that's how you truly feel then why not use your influence as the server owner and as a Sergeant in the SASP to try and find a better solution for how complaints are handled?

[PopSmoke]

SOP's will be augmented to strictly outline proper usage of police equipment and appropriate times to deploy equipment. Thanks for the feedback.