Third Person

[Geky000]

Describe the current reason for this balance request Every time I get in a gun fight its like fighting a global elite strafe pro league champion and I'm not exaggerating it. Gun fights aren't fun in first person because of how nauseating it is I swear you could be looking at them and you aim in and your guns in the sky, it's mad annoying Id rather get one tapped in third person then get in another strafe gun fight

Describe the solution you'd like Third Person Shooting to come back on foot and to keep first person in cars so people can't power game cars like the zentorno

Additional context I know they were removed to make it more realistic or to prevent crosshairs but it would really be amazing to have fun in gunfights again

[paull2810]

Oh no! Geky wants his crosshair to be useful again :(

[Geky000]

Just want to not get in a csgo strafe battle every gunfight

[9-2-0]

Then stand still. As far as I'm aware, don't quote me on this, if you was your character you wouldn't be able to go "aight sound lemme just go into third person to dome this kid". Everyone literally has a crosshair in first person it's called a Iron Sight, scroll up on your mouse to use it otherwise stop being a bitch cause you are firing from the hip.

[GiVeDB]

Then stand still Makes you an easy target, exactly why no one does it, neither will they in 3rd person but at least it ain't as aids. (As obviously gta wasn't made to be a FPS game. if you was your character you wouldn't be able to go "aight sound lemme just go into third person to dome this kid". If this is your logic then first person should be forced the entire time

Sure, it is still an RP server after all and shooting should be minimized, but at least give constructive comments to a feedback instead of breaking it down as "oh you just want to use your crosshair again" and giving brainless comments.

And oh, crosshair are definitely getting used more than back in the day now that people have to compensate for the shit csgo aim in gunfights, so again... If you don't like a feedback just give some constructive comments on it with a good thought process

[Geky000]

Stand Still Bro idk if you were here during third person but gunfights used to be actually fun and people would not strafe as much as they do now, I get that its realistic but were playing a game where we should have fun. First person is not fun and everyone can agree on that cause we literally have moonwalking Michael Jackson fights and imo its stupid that im fighting a breakdancer.

[Geky000]

But then again I'm here trying to make a feedback and if its not liked by the community I don't want it to be forced I just wanna voice my opinion with validity.

[Mastro12345]

To be fair I don't have a big issue with 1st person, but if 3rd person was to be enforced in fights then:

-> Crosshairs would have to be enabled -> It would have to be harder to kill someone

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Why 1st person is good:

• Fights last longer
• It's more realistic (reason why 1st person was enforced to begin with)

Why it's not:

• You can't shoot from bikes - not possible to enforce (HUGE negative, plus it's not realistic at all)
• It just doesn't feel right

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Why 3rd person is good:

• It just feels better, period
• GTA was made for 3rd person

Why it's not:

• People using crosshairs (most people do use crosshairs so disabling them makes no sense, it only makes it unfair for those who don't).
• It's not realistic at all, but hey, that's a game and there should always be a limit. Plenty of hardcore RP servers out there that have 3rd person.

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By enabling crosshairs people have no more advantage over others. It's all about good aim. CSGO has crosshair as well, but not everyone is at the same level when it comes to shooting. Not to mention even now, with 1st person, a crosshair helps. Helps a ton when shooting from cars. Truth is 80% of the server is using a crosshair.

Might be easier to kill someone with a crosshair, so simply make it harder to do so (more hits needed to take someone down).

TLDR; if I had to choose between 3rd vs 1st person then I would choose the former. GTA was made for 3rd person. It's just that changes would have to be made (enable crosshairs-harder to kill). There is a limit to realism in a game.

But it will probably stay as it is anyway.

[Geky000]

Now that there is a poll system it would be amazing if there could be a poll for the community to vote whether they want third person to come back or not.

[skryy99]

Agreed, to add to this I believe a poll for crosshairs for all players should be added. There is obviously crosshair abuse in this server, and only so much staff can do about those that have them with how difficult it can be to prove so adding this would flatten out the playing field a lot.

There are pros and cons to this though - Changes would have to be made to the health & weapon damage system if it were to be added for example, but that's why I think a poll among the community for Crosshairs & TPP shooting is ideal.

[spyromate]

To make it very blunt, this change is never going to happen, I'm sorry.

People are going to always strafe, it's a game. I understand that there's nothing more frustrating than coming up against a jigglepeeker on CSGO but at the end of the day, adding 3rd person again only encourages the use of a crosshair.

With regards to the polling system that is being pushed by myself and Bruce, I understand that some may seem this as the perfect topic for a survey, however this will not be happening. Adding crosshairs, and reverting the changes made to the camera are two things that are indisputable. I'd argue that those who are frustrated about the difficulties of firefights should either git gud, or try not getting into shootouts (this sentence is half a joke, and half serious).

This server has never, and will never make changes that reflect those of a PVP/DM server. Despite it being overwhelmingly obvious that crosshairs are used in clips, we simply can't justify giving every player one to try and make it an even playing field. By encouraging shootouts, and making shooting your 'opp' easier, it will result in the server moving from a social experience to a 'HOODLIFE ROLEPLAY - $10,000,000,000 STARTING CASH - RAGS2RICHES - DROP 100K OR DIE - E GIRL FRIENDLY" clone in no time.

It's really a non-issue. You lose some fights, you win some fights. If you are unhappy with people strafing, then strafe yourself. I apologise if this isn't the response you were looking for, but I can assure you that these changes will never be considered due to the detrimental effect it will have on the server.

[yungkeyan]

Third Person Shooting to come back on foot and to keep first person in cars so people can't power game cars like the zentorno

Monsters!! How dare they!!! Using Zentornos in gunfights!!! How can one do such horrendous and atrocious deeds!!!! I wonder who would do such things!!!!

[Geky000]

Responding to what Spyro said.

No matter what fire fights will always be apart of the server and making them fun should be some kind of priority. I know multiple who've been in the server for a long time that they would like to see third person back purely because of strafing. To your statement of "People are going to always strafe" you could literally say the same about crosshair's and in third person strafing would be destroyed as movement is slowed when you aim in third person,

adding 3rd person again only encourages the use of a crosshair. Vice Versa. It goes both ways., and in fact I believe people are more encouraged to use a crosshair due to first person to compensate for their bad aim, crosshairs will never be diminished unless they're added.

That's why I think it's a good idea to let the community vote on this big concept using the poll system.

[Jarrrk]

Monsters!! How dare they!!! Using Zentornos in gunfights!!! How can one do such horrendous and atrocious deeds!!!! I wonder who would do such things!!!!

How is this constructive?

Spyro's response is most inline with what direction we're continuing to proceed with in relation to crosshairs/third person. Traditionally I'm the same in the sense that for me the GTA series has always (apart from the first few top down games) been third person and is what I'm used to, unfortunately third person and having a crosshair allows people to line up shots prior to fights and somewhat encourages gunfights over roleplay, at least from what we noticed prior and after implementing force FP.

Strafing as a trade-off from this forced functionality but in the grand scheme of things, people moving left and right is better than people tapping other players just because they can, to mention on crosshairs, we do catch a lot of people, we do enforce strict rules upon this and can police it in other methods of what people are aware (TypeScript is awesome!)

That's why I think it's a good idea to let the community vote on this big concept using the poll system.

I understand we now have polls but we shouldn't be using this for every decision we can't come to an immediate agreement on in a feedback topic, while polls are going to be a big factor in the future of decision making, this isn't something we're willing to change both from my own and staff's perspective, this is never going to change from this point onwards.

To mention, this is the first real instance feedback has been submitted against the forced ADS in however long we've had it now, and the only real tradeoffs are strafing and others risking it using crosshairs, imo this is the best way we can deal with the issue given the tools we have.