Vehicle Issues/Balance Megathread

[Jarrrk]

Too slow? Too expensive? Too fast? Handle like shit or an F1 car?

Post detailed stats here and make sure to add some real world figures to back up your balance request.

We aim to make cars realistic to their top speed and handling characteristics - this is something that is very time consuming and won't be a quick fix.

[JohnFlinte]

BMW e46 M3 Sound update

There is no issues with the Car besides the Sound.

The e46 should sound like the F90 M5 or the M4 basically, realistically that car has an Inline 6 cylinder engine that is trimmed for motorsport and high revving. And that should have the real raspy sound of the other BMW's. Still would not be perfectly on point sound wise but it would be a real improvement. Right now it sounds like a 4 cylinder cheap compact and that is a huge turndown for such a beautiful car.

[soundy066]

PAGANI HUAYRA

The car is too slow for that prize it gets beaten by a car cost way more less than pagani

Here some info of real car :-

The Huayra [stock one] has a top speed of about 383 km/h (238 mph) and it has a 0-97 km/h (60 mph) acceleration time of 2.8 seconds

when we upgrade the car with mechanic i think the top speed and acceleration should be increased top speed :- 280mph 0-60mph :- 2.5 seconds

if u can please try to change the car this will be good balance

[RobinKlok]

Nightshade

The Nightshade is a GTA vehicle based on the 1970-1973 Chevrolet Camaro and the custom build of the ‘Spectre Camaro’ It currently has a topspeed of 145/155 (untuned/fully tuned) and so-so acceleration. However it currently has a few issues, I’ll be listing them in order of importance (most to least).

1a. Brakes Even fully tuned this car has a shockingly long brake distance. The IRL version that this car is based on (Spectre) has custom high-performance brakes, and that would be before a mechanic would get their hypothetical hands on it. I recommend improving the braking power of the vehicle, both stock and tuned, but definitely when tuned.

2. Grip As a performance modded muscle-car it makes perfect sense that if you would like to, you could take off with spinning tires galore. However this car should also be able to make it through the lower gears without spinning it’s wheels (especially with the size of the tires on this thing). As it currently stands you have no grip at low speeds, on any surface, which kills the acceleration of the car.

3. Speed I personally don’t think this car should be much faster. As a stock 1970 Camaro produces roughly 360 horsepower and tops out at 133mph. The engine of the Nightshade produces 420 and tops at 145 stock, 155 tuned. I would suggest 150/160 or 155/165 given the performance nature of the ‘Spectre’ and compared to some of the other GTA/import vehicles that easily hit 180+ whilst having no business going that fast.

Sources: (Nightshade page) https://gta.fandom.com/wiki/Nightshade

(Performance information about the 1970 Camaro) _https://www.automobile-catalog.com/car/1970/100835/chevrolet_camaro_z28.html_

Article about the ‘Spectre Camaro’ _http://www.speedhunters.com/2011/02/car_feature_gt_gt_the_spectre_camaro/_

Footage of the ‘Spectre’ driving at low speed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eXneX67k2M

[Veyken]

Guardian inventory update

The Guardian only has 20 inventory slots, despite being the land vehicle with the largest cargo area, outside of the RVs. Whereas vehicles like the Contender and Kamacho have 40 inventory slots, the Guardian has half that. I would suggest bringing the Guardian up to 40 as well, given its physical size.

[omgpointless]

Chev Surge fuel capacity balance

I can't cross-reference a real car details as this is a Simeons car. But I feel it's heavily underperforming in terms of similar modals, and the price level. It's main competitor being the Toyota Prius which is currently acquired cheaper than the Surge. The main problem between the two is that the Surge completely eats through fuel compared to the Prius, which easily can coast through the city and just slowly consuming fuel.

An example scenario of this is: Take the car out from Sandy Shore garage, go fuel up to 100%, go to Fish Bait shop, observe the % of fuel dropped. If you are pushing it, it's as much as 20-22%, to be expected lower if strictly following the speed signs.

I used it as a taxi for a customer once going from Legion square to Sandy Shore I had to excuse myself that we had to fuel up, I don't think I was at 100% when we started.

Wanted balance changed

Similar behaviour in terms of fuel consumption between the Prius and Surge. Real life world statistics for Prius being 11 mi on all electric.

Source on Toyota: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Prius_Plug-in_Hybrid "Its total all-electric range in blended mode is 18 km (11 mi) as rated by the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)"

[CeeGee93]

Ferrarri 599 GTO bug

The 599 doesn't lock properly, occasionally people can get into the car even if it's locked. I've had my car stolen numerous times while the car is definitely locked, as well as people just get in the passenger seat before I've unlocked the car.

https://plays.tv/video/5cff0204be4c28a055/ferrarri-599-gto-bug

Here's an example where Olive got into the car after I've pulled it out of the garage.

I don't know if this bug is specific to the 599, but I've seen it happen far more often with this car than any other.

[CeeGee93]

Zentorno bug

Sometimes when loading in and taking out a Zentorno, it will have vanilla GTA values for handling, braking, acceleration and top speed. Here's a clip where it's struggling to hit 120mph:

https://plays.tv/video/5d080b84caa696dc18

Seems like relogging fixes it.

[EddieSamba]

Toyota Supra

Not sure if this can be fixed or not but the headlights on the Supra do not seem to emit an actual beam of light making them near useless at night time. The lights are lit fine on the car model but they do not actually project any light. Maybe it's the model and it can't be changed but raising just incase.

[captkellix]

Harley D. Knuckleduster

The motorcycle is listed in the garage as knucklehead which I find hilarious. The real issue is that the lights do not project into the world no matter what setting they are on. It is very hard to see where you are going at night and if it is also storming you are pretty much required to drive a different vehicle.

[Leodimas]

The Ford Sierra Cosworth does not project light into the world. the lights are lighting up but the light "doesnt come out" of them. This applies to brake and turn lights as well.

To Reproduce Steps to reproduce the behaviour:

Enter Ford Sierra Toggle Lights (preferably at night or a dark place) The enviroment does not get illuminated. Expected Behaviour The lights should project a cone

Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SePU_fphSq8

[Gopnik-belic]

PAGANI HUAYRA

The car is too slow for that prize it gets beaten by a car cost way more less than pagani

Here some info of real car :-

The Huayra [stock one] has a top speed of about 383 km/h (238 mph) and it has a 0-97 km/h (60 mph) acceleration time of 2.8 seconds

when we upgrade the car with mechanic i think the top speed and acceleration should be increased top speed :- 280mph 0-60mph :- 2.5 seconds

if u can please try to change the car this will be good balance

I think that 265-270 mph would be ideal considering it is a 240 mph car stock

[Spazed]

Mazda RX-7

Speed: The stock speed of a 2001 Mazda RX7 is around 160mph, now I have seen videos on youtube and car reviews on blogs, of some of these cars reaching 450bhp+ but personally I don't feel the car needs to be that fast, otherwise it would dominate the city rendering cars like the Bugatti, GTR and Lamborghinis useless to save up for. I believe this car should have a Maxout after a full tuning of around 220mph -230mph as at the moment it struggles to reach 200mph. When you're paying $220,000 for the car itself and near $80,000 to tune your car you do expect some sort of bang for your buck as you pay for Engine Remap, Transmission upgrade, Brakes & a turbo.

Grip: At lower speeds it tends to wheelspin, which makes the car feel like it drags a lot, and it does get you in trouble with the Police as they think you are doing it on purpose, if there was a way to sort out the grip to make it have more grip, that would be awesome and definately improve the feel of the car in general.

Sound: Not sure if this is possible at all, but if it was would you be able to make the sound of the car itself just a tad louder, as the Model we have in the city has a beautiful sound file, and I feel that is definatley a big sell point for the car, the rotary engine is just so nice to Idle and hear the pops and bangs when you're cruising at low speeds, I personally would just like to hear that a lot more then you do already.

Sources: https://www.topspeed.com/cars/mazda-rx7/ke344.html / https://strikeengine.com/rx7-tuning-power-test14/

The Mazda RX-7 still looks modern today 14 years after the car was put on sale and the standard power figures still stack up against modern high performance cars. The 13B-REW was rated at 255bhp at the flywheel with 215lbs/ft of torque.

do you even know what bhp is?

[ghost]

http://www.differencebetween.net/technology/difference-between-hp-and-bhp/

[Choppa25]

Chimera motorcycle

Tunning: Can't be tunned at all, not even at LS Customs, not even by the mechanic.

[RogerSjoblom]

Diablous Custom I just got it tuned at DW customs and it goes like 10mph faster with all the tunings and the brakes bearly got any better.

[Its-Me-Miles]

Think the crown vic has gone too far the other way from yesterday, now it revs it's tits off and drinks fuel like it's going out of fashion.

[bloombydee]

So basically a real crown vic

[Real50BMG]

realism

[Kiciaaaa]

Imagine complaining about a fix lmao

[Its-Me-Miles]

Not really a fix it's just been nurfed.

[YaBoiAthensguy]

F150 Raptor

The vehicle above whenever someone accelerates past 56 MPH it starts desyncing everywhere and impossible to understand where it's going especially in cop chases. I can add a clip for reference if needed but it's pretty easy to remake, just get someone in a Raptor > let them drive over 50 MPH > be behind them or inside the car > notice that it's desyncing everywhere for you but for him it's completely fine. Imo it should be removed until a new model is found and added.

[Chevu337]

@YaBoiAthensguy Yea but there is problem cuz some people buy that vehicle and is only good for off road, on highway max is 120mph

[OccamsSabre]

Here's a clip of what the F150 does.

https://plays.tv/video/5db4610c5d2a098936/f150-scuff

[TiMMiE02]

Warrener

The warrener Will randomly dissapear mid driving it. I thought that was strange, so I reloged and that fixed it. But it keeps happening. And mid relloging it got impounded a couple of times because for the police and everyone else it's still there on the street, but I have to relog so I can see it again. Not sure whats happening right here..

[migs22ap]

I am horrible with car terminology

I think the EVO 9 got caught up in a big update with lots of nerfs recently. I could be wrong, but the car wasn't nearly as much of an issue as the WRX, but possibly got the same treatment. This could be a placebo, but out of the 4 people who have driven my EVO 9, they all felt that it drives pretty terrible compared to before. I can get it to hit ~170+ on straightaways on the highway, so the speed isn't an issue. The handling seems a lot worse than what you'd expect for a rally style car. It used to take corners well, but now it's extremely finicky and spins out after drifting a corner.

The car may have been a bit problematic, but I believe it was over-corrected, and is now in need of some love. I think the max speed could actually go a bit lower. It's not really meant to be flying on the highway, but for handling turns.

[bladesoffury98]

Describe the current reason for this balance request This is by no means a drastic balance request! I recently purchased the Dodge Charger SRT and tested it to its max to see its top speed. The vehicle struggled to reach a top speed of 190mph and this was achieved by going downhill. For a $300,000 car this doesn't seem balanced, this speed test was against a friend who recently purchased the Schafter which topped out at 250mph and cost a 1/3 of the price.

Describe the solution you'd like Potentially a 10-15mph increase in speed!

Additional context I'm a complete novice in how easy it is to config vehicle speeds and stats within GTA, so ignore me completely if this seems like to much hassle than it's worth. Thank you!

[DsyncXO]

This should be the right Thread now xD

BMW M5

Describe the bug Not the biggest issue in the world and also could be a very easy fix (who knows) but the Gold supporter BMW M5 has no light coming from the vehicle but shows very brightly on the headlights, would be nice for it to be added in due to the fact i have Shader/Graphic mods which make it hard to see in dark as it is

To Reproduce Steps to reproduce the behavior: 1.Add lights which actually effect the car and the surrounding of vehicle

2. Remove Bright Stock Glo...

[DsyncXO]

Is there any news in relation to the M5?

[TyroilSmoochie]

The headlights on the Cosworth do not illuminate the ground, and the taillights have a glare effect on the screen

To Reproduce Steps to reproduce the behavior:

Go to a Ford Sierra Cosworth Make sure you are driving at night And also do make sure you have the headlights on See error Expected Behaviour Headlights should illuminate the ground and the taillights should not glow to an amount that makes it hard to see the road

Screenshots

Additional context I tried to spam the headlights to see if it would work but it would not work. I also tried switching the type of lights to the upgraded ones and it would not work there either.

[daaaaaaz]

the taillights have a glare effect on the screen

I’m pretty sure that’s because of your own game settings. Setting your POSTFX to ultra will add these bright glares on almost every car. I doubt that it’s only on the Cosworth, though I could be wrong. If you don’t want the extra glares and DOF just turn POSTFX down to normal.

[TyroilSmoochie]

Alright, I will try that. I still have the issue of the headlights looking as if they are on but they do not provide any form of a light source like a cars headlights should

[Reversalxd]

This is some screenshots and a clip for the disappearing vehicles problem. https://streamable.com/6n35k https://prnt.sc/qpq2zi https://prnt.sc/qppyqn https://prnt.sc/qppxcs https://prnt.sc/qppxw7

[gggggggut]

Youga classic headlights are kind of messed in the night. You can see in this video https://streamable.com/q99gi

[ixhal]

Nissan 370z damage. It takes too much damage for a car I spent 200-250k on compared to a car I have spent 50k total on, I understand its a fast car and not the most stable frame but the engine should be almost bullet proof It currently takes 2-3bumps with armour for the engine to break (30-40mph), Most other cars I have driven take a good 7 bumps at higher speeds and still drive away from it, for a car that does not break/turn very well its hard to not crash I would like to see it take a bit more of a beating maybe 5/6 crashes at low speed before the engine breaks. Cheers

[daaaaaaz]

Describe the bug The toggle underglow feature only works for the driver (similar to the GTR Spacers)

To Reproduce Steps to reproduce the behaviour:

1. Press [M] for the vehicle menu
2. Turn off the under glow
3. Think that it's off
4. Everyone else can see it like normal

Expected Behaviour For everyone to see the under glow is off - this is mainly for Police RP Situations

Additional context People can't hide their illegal under glows, or just turn them off when not wanted. I can see it becoming an issue if someone has turned them off on their end but then get pulled over for having them on which will just lead to petty arguments between people.

[daaaaaaz]

Describe the bug Vehicles keep spawning invisible when pulled out. Both personal and work ones.

To Reproduce Steps to reproduce the behaviour:

Go to any garage or job Pull out a vehicle Only you can see the car (unknown to the driver until told) You are bobbing in and out of the ground when seen by others Expected Behaviour For the vehicles to be seen/registered by everyone, without causing people to be invisible

Additional context You also cannot fuel these invisible cars. A lot of people have been taking the vehicle from the garage they took it from to another garage, putting the vehicle away and then when they retrieve it for the second time it appears for everyone else. Obviously this isn’t possible with job vehicles, but I do believe relogging works in these instances. I don’t know what fixes the issue but taking it to another garage has worked 99% of the times I’ve witnessed it. This has been getting more and more frequent over the past week or so.

It isn’t just custom cars, I’ve had it happen to me personally with a GTA car I own.

[CowboyCanuck]

Would love to have a few more custom classic trucks/cars in the mix. Like the 1985 Chevy c10 pick up, maybe a few more Harley Davidsons. Just more old school stuff for us classic car and bike lovers.

P.s just want to say you guys are doing a great job. Awesome sever.

[Zurxey]

The Skyline R34

• It handles great, but its top speed, and acceleration is garbage. Both stock, and fully tuned.

• ALSO the Skylines gear shifting is broken. I'm hoping to see it get buffed, hopefully be somewhat equal to the supra.

• The corquette outperforms the Skyline, the McClaren, and many other cars. It's a $70,000 PDM purchase.

• Myself trying to revive the racing scene, expensive cars underperforming that should be amazing, it sucks .-.

[Fuseduwu]

Storage space of BMW F90M5

The BMW F90M5 only has a storage space of 10. This car is on the bigger side and it has 4 doors as well! I believe that it should have at least a storage space of 16. The reason for this is because other cars that are smaller & have 4 doors have 16 storage space! E.g. Evo 9 & Evo 10. Also, the M6 is a 2 door that is about as big as the F90M5 and it has a storage space of 16 as well.

[dadoggaming]

Sanchez Handling

Describe the current reason for this balance request The Sanchez handles pretty bad. When you try to break, it wheelies on the front wheel and makes the back break useless, which means you don't break. Also it drifts a lot. Turning is horrible, if you go, try to slow down for a turn, it doesn't turn almost at all. Almost died because of that. If you try to turn while breaking, it won't turn at all. So the problem with handling is turning, breaking.

Describe the solution you'd like If it's possible, change the Sanchez to default handling from normal GTA. Keep the speed since that's fine and all, but the handling is really horrible on the Sanchez. If you want to keep the custom handling, please look into the Sanchez and change the handling files, it really performs horribly.

Additional context None

[spyr0sec]

Youga Classic Handling

Describe the current reason for this balance request I cant turn a bleeding corner without rolling over onto my side. I get that this is far less likely to happen if I follow the speed limits but I'm a criminal baby, if I want to take a corner at 60 I shouldnt be at a 90% risk of rolling my van 4 times.

Describe the solution you'd like Increase tyre grip or something, to make it less likely to just take off as if it weighs nothing.

Additional context None. Can provide a video upon request.

[TheHairyPenguin]

1957 Chevrolet Bel Air - Bodywork/ Tuning issues

Describe the current reason for this balance request You can buy the car at Luxury Autos for 95k stock, however, you can spend 30k on tuning but it only comes with Engine and Turbo upgrades, not a full tune. And even then it adds absolutely nothing to the car, there's no turbo sound or increase in performance at all. This whole car either needs a new model or a complete rework on issues with tuning and bodywork, as you can't change a single thing bodywork wise or lower the suspension.

Describe the solution you'd like I'd like to see the tuning fixed/ implemented and to be able to actually customise the car, this might have to result in finding a new model for the car or just changing some variables for it to actually work.

Additional context None, however, I could provide screenshots of the car at DW Customs.

[Primetime92]

Brakes Just bought an Upgrade 4 Brakes on Sultan RS, doesn't brake any better than the stock ones.

https://i.imgur.com/6bNhPsG.png https://i.imgur.com/pPkBbPl.jpg

[Primetime92]

Akuma Motorcycle

The bike barely brakes or steer, yet it's a sport motorcycle. Had to brake down to 25MPH to kind of be able to steer. Has poor braking and steer from any speed to low speed. 40-20MPH, 100-40MPH, 150-70MPH, etc.

[YaBoiAthensguy]

@TheHairyPenguin @Primetime92 All 3 of those vehicles will be looked into by the vehicles team, thanks for letting us know. Will notify if changes are made.

[Zopfco]

Appears neither the BF400 nor mod Honda Transalp have license plates, rendering them non-street legal. This kind of defeats the purpose of the top tier dual-sport bikes.

Is it possible to add plates to one or both?

[Zopfco]

The Sovereign has saddlebags like the Bagger, plus a smaller center one. Could we get 6-8 storage?

http://i.imgur.com/l1YtwVT.jpg

[BIRLZ95]

Mercadees E63.

-When passengers are in the backseats, there heads clip through the roof.

[Askhunt]

Porsche 911 Turbo S (OG non supporter)

Hey gang. This car is pretty underwhelming for the $680k price tag IMO. It has an issue where it does one wheel burnouts and lurches hard to the right under acceleration. Seems borderline scuffed. Aside from that it just isn't very good at anything. The handling is pretty terrible. It doesn't turn at low speeds under throttle similar to the 370z. When cornering it has very twitchy handling at speed and simply gets embarrassed by cars 1/10 of it's price. Sub 200mph top speed when considering the cheaper faster options seems weak, and the 911 struggles to do 180-190 depending on the surface. What I was hoping for was a more powerful grippy thing like a WRX STI on steroids with an average super car worthy top speed. What I have is something that all but get's dominated by my 150k Feltzer and much much worse. It doesn't really grip, it doesn't really drift it's just expensive and pretty lol.

Aside from no engine bay, the model is gorgeous looking, so it would be nice to see it be more competitive with other cars in it's price range and below. Perhaps you fine folks on the balance team could have a look one day. Thanks!

[M4vCS]

BMW M8 Competition Hi there just writing in to say that the m8's top speed for the price (450k) is severely underwhelming considering the fairly large price tag. An stock m8 tops out at 170 which is absolutely insulting to the car considering its real life counterpart can go 190. Now i realize that everything isnt a 1 to 1 translation but for the time it takes for it to even get close to 170 is crazy and then full tuning (210k) the car it cant break 200mph (tops at 185 and 190 downhill) but the 150k m5 (66k for full tune) can reach 210 (220 downhill) and fairly quick at that. Now I have no qualms with the handling or acceleration because those match the cars price but i do think that the top speed and ability to reach said speed should be relooked at. Thank you