Ariel, after 3.3.1, does not remain running when laptop is closed. Have to restart it every time. Pretty annoying.

[greylogan]

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Description of issue / Feature request: Ariel, after 3.3.1, does not remain running when laptop is closed. Have to restart it every time.

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[glouel]

Hey @greylogan

Not sure I understand, can you expand a bit ? You close your laptop but you don't have external monitors ? What do you need to restart ? Are you talking about the desktop background or the saver ?

[greylogan]

Thank you for your response. When I close the lid and then open it later on to resume working on the laptop, Arial has closed itself and the live wallpaper under Experimental has stopped completely. I would really like it if it would continue like the previous version. The new update seems to have caused Arial to force close upon closing the lid, which closes using the screensaver as a live wallpaper as well.

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From: Guillaume Louel @.> Sent: Monday, October 2, 2023 22:30 To: JohnCoates/Aerial @.> Cc: greylogan @.>; Mention @.> Subject: Re: [JohnCoates/Aerial] Ariel, after 3.3.1, does not remain running when laptop is closed. Have to restart it every time. Pretty annoying. (Issue #1331)

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Not sure I understand, can you expand a bit ? You close your laptop but you don't have external monitors ? What do you need to restart ? Are you talking about the desktop background or the saver ?

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[glouel]

Ok so, this is a Sonoma thing that I may not have accounted for. However, you should not use that old version of Companion (the menu bar thing), please use this version for Sonoma, and use the desktop from there (2nd option), see if it still does it when you close the lid. I dont have a laptop to test but it's fine if my MacStudio goes to sleep ,so that should be about the same.

https://github.com/AerialScreensaver/AerialCompanion/releases/tag/v1.5.1

[greylogan]

Hi. I installed the Sonoma version and for some reason it is doing the same thing as the 3.3.1 version. It force closes and does not stay open upon closing the laptop and opening it up again. I have to restart it every time. On Oct 3, 2023 at 06:08 +0700, Guillaume Louel @.***>, wrote:

Ok so, this is a Sonoma thing that I may not have accounted for. However, you should not use that old version of Companion (the menu bar thing), please use this version for Sonoma, and use the desktop from there (2nd option), see if it still does it when you close the lid. I dont have a laptop to test but it's fine if my MacStudio goes to sleep ,so that should be about the same. https://github.com/AerialScreensaver/AerialCompanion/releases/tag/v1.5.1 — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or unsubscribe. You are receiving this because you were mentioned.Message ID: @.***>

[glouel]

Thanks for the feedback, I'll try to see if I can simulate something here to replicate and will keep you posted. I assume that if you let you mac fall asleep with the lid on, it's fine though.

Will let you know if I can find a workaround

[glouel]

Also, can you give me the exact steps you do ? Is the screen saver (not the desktop thing) running when you close the lid ? etc etc

Thanks, that would help me narrow it down.

[greylogan]

Basically I will close the lid and travel somewhere like home. Then I will open the Macbook and notice the icon is no longer at the top of the task bar.

Ok I just received dialogue for the first time telling me how to choose Arial as my screensaver. I never noticed this before when I clicked the button within the Arial app in the task bar. I will see if this fixes the issue. It should be set to Arial and not the default Apple screensaver, but I am not sure that will fix the issue using the screensaver as a live desktop. I will see if it stays active. On Oct 3, 2023 at 19:05 +0700, Guillaume Louel @.***>, wrote:

Also, can you give me the exact steps you do ? Is the screen saver (not the desktop thing) running when you close the lid ? etc etc Thanks, that would help me narrow it down. — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or unsubscribe. You are receiving this because you were mentioned.Message ID: @.***>

[glouel]

I see, you weren't running the screensaver but maybe Apple's one. All in all you can use anything you want and use the Companion's desktop independently, but it's really confusing right now with the way Apple presents their stuff.

What I'm asking specifically is when you close the lid. Is your mac running with apps and stuf in the foreground or was (any) screensaver running ?

[glouel]

I found a way to reproduce the issue, I'll keep you posted!

[glouel]

@greylogan found the issue, this is fixed in 3.3.2 https://github.com/JohnCoates/Aerial/releases/tag/v3.3.2

To update using Companion, if you don't see it when you open the app, you can go into settings (second icon at the bottom) and press "Check now" in the window that opens.

After update, you have to close Companion and restart it so the new version gets loaded properly. Please let me know if that fixes things for you but I'm pretty sure it should.

[greylogan]

Ok, I get this message every single time I open Arial (attachment enclosed) so I think this is the reason why it won't keep running when I close the lid. I updated to the new update but it still forced closed itself and it may be due to this message every time I reopen Arial? Do you think this might be the culprit? On Oct 3, 2023 at 22:20 +0700, Guillaume Louel @.***>, wrote:

@greylogan found the issue, this is fixed in 3.3.2 https://github.com/JohnCoates/Aerial/releases/tag/v3.3.2 To update using Companion, if you don't see it when you open the app, you can go into settings (second icon at the bottom) and press "Check now" in the window that opens. After update, you have to close Companion and restart it so the new version gets loaded properly. Please let me know if that fixes things for you but I'm pretty sure it should. — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or unsubscribe. You are receiving this because you were mentioned.Message ID: @.***>

[glouel]

You can't do attachements by email, you have to do them on GitHub. But I'm pretty sure it's the new sandboxing prompt saying that Aerial needs access to other applications data.

This is an unfortunate new thing that Apple added in Sonoma, the fix is simple though, see this screenshot :

You have to explicitly grant Aerial Companion full disk access.

This happens because I distribute 2 bits of software, the first one is Aerial (the screensaver), and the second is Aerial Companion, which is the auto updater and the part that lets you run the desktop background. In order to make the desktop background work, what Aerial Companion does is it loads Aerial (the screensaver), and that triggers this prompt.

In a perfect world, because I distribute both bits together, it shouldn't trigger anything, but because Apple still hasn't released a new SDK for screensavers, they don't, and we get this prompt. It's super annoying but I can't do much about it.

You may have the same issues with text editors or other apps that need to open files, full disk access is the only workaround for now.

[greylogan]

Thank you. When I get home, I'll implement this fix. Yeah, Apple makes it hard to do anything.

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From: Guillaume Louel @.> Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2023 6:33:27 PM To: JohnCoates/Aerial @.> Cc: greylogan @.>; Mention @.> Subject: Re: [JohnCoates/Aerial] Ariel, after 3.3.1, does not remain running when laptop is closed. Have to restart it every time. Pretty annoying. (Issue #1331)

You can't do attachements by email, you have to do them on GitHub. But I'm pretty sure it's the new sandboxing prompt saying that Aerial needs access to other applications data.

This is an unfortunate new thing that Apple added in Sonoma, the fix is simple though, see this screenshot :

[Capture d’écran 2023-10-04 à 13 26 02]https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/37544189/272558483-ee7ea14e-a657-43ab-a211-87f272fab704.jpg

You have to explicitly grant Aerial full disk access.

This happens because I distribute 2 bits of software, the first one is Aerial (the screensaver), and the second is Aerial Companion, which is the auto updater and the part that lets you run the desktop background. In order to make the desktop background work, what Aerial Companion does is it loads Aerial (the screensaver), and that triggers this prompt.

In a perfect world, because I distribute both bits together, it shouldn't trigger anything, but because Apple still hasn't released a new SDK for screensavers, they don't, and we get this prompt. It's super annoying but I can't do much about it.

You may have the same issues with text editors or other apps that need to open files, full disk access is the only workaround for now.

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[glouel]

After having both 3.3.2 and having restarted it, it should no longer prompt quit on your though, make sure it's properly running. You can check in settings that you have the correct version installed.

[glouel]

One last thing, if you still experience the issue after that, instead of closing the lid, try going to the Apple menu top left and select sleep there, then wake it up, see if it still quits on you or not. This is how I simulate the lid closing on my MacStudio here and it now works fine.

[greylogan]

OK will do. Also, I don't have 3.3.2 any longer. I deleted that and installed the Sonoma you shared a link to.

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From: Guillaume Louel @.> Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2023 7:56:09 PM To: JohnCoates/Aerial @.> Cc: greylogan @.>; Mention @.> Subject: Re: [JohnCoates/Aerial] Ariel, after 3.3.1, does not remain running when laptop is closed. Have to restart it every time. Pretty annoying. (Issue #1331)

One last thing, if you still experience the issue after that, instead of closing the lid, try going to the Apple menu top left and select sleep there, then wake it up, see if it still quits on you or not. This is how I simulate the lid closing on my MacStudio here and it now works fine.

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[glouel]

Let me recap because it's confusing, first you need Aerial Companion 1.5.1, this is the thing on your menu bar, see the screenshot (again, come to github to see them) :

In here, if you press the cog icon top right, it will load the screen saver settings, if you go to the bottom it should show 3.3.2 (which is the screensaver version) :

If you have those things aligned, then you should no longer see the quit thing.

If you don't see 3.3.2 on the screensaver, close the settings window, reopen the popup menu, click second icon on the bottom, it will pop another settings window, press "Check now" and it will prompt you to install the latest screen saver at the right place. It's possible you installed 3.3.2 manually incorrectly (for all users) and it didn't do anything.

[greylogan]

OK. I'll check when I get home and fix the Apple settings

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From: Guillaume Louel @.> Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2023 8:05:49 PM To: JohnCoates/Aerial @.> Cc: greylogan @.>; Mention @.> Subject: Re: [JohnCoates/Aerial] Ariel, after 3.3.1, does not remain running when laptop is closed. Have to restart it every time. Pretty annoying. (Issue #1331)

Let me recap because it's confusing, first you need Aerial Companion 1.5.1, this is the thing on your menu bar, see the screenshot (again, come to github to see them) :

[Capture d’écran 2023-10-04 à 15 02 51]https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/37544189/272582485-c9712f0a-7adb-4760-9be9-3bbae00ac934.jpg

In here, if you press the cog icon top right, it will load the screen saver settings, if you go to the bottom it should show 3.3.2 (which is the screensaver version) :

[Capture d’écran 2023-10-04 à 15 04 15]https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/37544189/272582809-40c47ac9-1bc5-49c2-85c6-d15b66ba145c.jpg

If you have those things aligned, then you should no longer see the quit thing.

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[greylogan]

I was wondering what screen this is. It's in French or something I can read it. On Oct 4, 2023 at 19:52 +0700, Grey Haven @.***>, wrote:

Thank you. When I get home, I'll implement this fix. Yeah, Apple makes it hard to do anything.

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You can't do attachements by email, you have to do them on GitHub. But I'm pretty sure it's the new sandboxing prompt saying that Aerial needs access to other applications data. This is an unfortunate new thing that Apple added in Sonoma, the fix is simple though, see this screenshot : You have to explicitly grant Aerial full disk access. This happens because I distribute 2 bits of software, the first one is Aerial (the screensaver), and the second is Aerial Companion, which is the auto updater and the part that lets you run the desktop background. In order to make the desktop background work, what Aerial Companion does is it loads Aerial (the screensaver), and that triggers this prompt. In a perfect world, because I distribute both bits together, it shouldn't trigger anything, but because Apple still hasn't released a new SDK for screensavers, they don't, and we get this prompt. It's super annoying but I can't do much about it. You may have the same issues with text editors or other apps that need to open files, full disk access is the only workaround for now. — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or unsubscribe. You are receiving this because you were mentioned.Message ID: @.***>

[glouel]

Yes sorry, I happen to be french ;) Look for "Full disk access" in settings, you'll find it.

[greylogan]

Got it. And the funny thing is, before I even turned it on, I opened the lid and it was running! And I didn't get the pop up this time. So maybe it corrected itself? Either way, I granted full disk access so maybe Apple won't throw a tantrum anymore lol On Oct 4, 2023 at 21:01 +0700, Guillaume Louel @.***>, wrote:

Yes sorry, I happen to be french ;) Look for "Full disk access" in settings, you'll find it. — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or unsubscribe. You are receiving this because you were mentioned.Message ID: @.***>

[glouel]

It's likely you didn't restart after updating the screensaver, then when it restarted the next time it picked it up.

By allowing full disk access you won't be prompted when rebooting your mac in any case ! Glad to hear it's fixed 💪