TS-KSR branches

[mrand]

Per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenshin_Sh%C5%8Dden_Katori_Shint%C5%8D-ry%C5%AB and other sources, there are multiple branches of KSR. That page lists four of them.

• Ōtake
• Sugino Yoshio (whom you have an entry for)
• Hatakeyama
• Sugawara Budo

I looked quickly and couldn't immediately nail down a common ancestor.

I believe Otake in that list refers to Otake Risuke (who passed on his lineage to his older son Otake Nobutoshi).

I am not sure what to make of this linage: which appears to list Otake Nobutoshi as training under Otake Toshinori, which strikes me as unlikely.

More on Risuke: http://katorishintoryu-usa.org/Otake-Sensei.html https://katorivietnam.org/katori-shinto-ryu-sensei-details/

[fsmunoz]

Indeed, TSKSR has many lines. I added the Sugino one almost as a reply to a challenge made in jest some months ago, that with the amount of arts Sugino knew it would stress the limits of the approach (I think it worked perfectly fine).

I need to go back to what I discovered (one of the problems of moving around in the tree is that I can remember that some months ago I knew a lot about TSKSR lineage history, branches, etc, because I was reading all the different resources, but I have now mostly forgot about it). A quick (and uncritical) look at things would point to Otake Risuke having Hayashi Yazaemon as teacher, which was in the same general "group" as the teachers of Sugino, with Yamaguchi and/or Isaza Morisada as teachers - so they are obviously linked.

TSKSR is to me in high priority to add, so I will follow up on this as soon as I'm done with the other ones, and comment here.

[mrand]

In #26, you mention:

Specifically on SMR, it would be one of the ways to add Draeger to the tree, a very important addition (to the USA, but also more broadly).

I looked into this briefly, and how he might be added to the current tree. It's surprising to me how poorly Draeger's lineage is documented. This page is was difficult to find and has more than the usual copy-and-paste from wikipedia: https://aiki--kohai-over--blog-com.translate.goog/2018/08/chronique-abregee-de-donn-f.draeger.html?_x_tr_sch=http&_x_tr_sl=fr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

Anyway, I think the TS-KSR link to Risuke Otake would be the most well known and straight forward. Here are Draegers teachers that I could find - but it's surely an incomplete list:

• Mike Matvey (supposedly "famous judo instructor" but can't find any history on him). Lived in Tientsin China and Brazil. Draeger wrote that Matvey also trained Samba.
• Masatoshi Nakayama (Shotokan karate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masatoshi_Nakayama)
• Risuke Otake (TS-KSR)
• maybe: Kaminoda Tsunemori (Shindo Muso Ryu; note: typo? should be Shinto?)
• maybe: Shimizu Takaji (Shinto Muso Ryu)
• Draeger reportedly held fifth dan in Aikido. Ellis Amdur claims this was awarded by Tomiki - I might email him to find the source on that.

Students (surely many more than just this one famous one):

• Isao Inokuma (Judo; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isao_Inokuma)