Workaholic: don't kill advice message option (if visible to everyone), `Can't win after they died`: default OFF

[Filipianosol]

Workaholic: New Option: Don’t Kill Advice (If Visible to Everyone)

https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/12639838/236742188-54d564e6-4194-44d3-93c7-baeb5a02f8c0.mp4

I felt notifying about Workaholic every meeting could be a bit unnecessary so I've chosen to only send the message at first meeting. This can always be changed to every meeting if @KARPED1EM wishes so.

Note: The message doesn't appear if Ghosts Exempt From Tasks is ON. This is because Workaholic doesn't win upon death then, even if Can't win after they died is OFF.

I couldn't figure out how to spawn more than one Workaholic so I haven't tested with multiple but it should list all alive Workaholic player names in the message, just like it does with one Workaholic.

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Workaholic: Can’t Win after They Died: Default OFF

On the current default settings Workaholic doesn't stand a chance.

By default everyone can see who the Workaholic is. Because of this, players can rush to hunt them down or vote them off and there is no punishment for doing so, as by default they can't win once they've died. You could override their tasks to 2 or 3 to give them a chance but then it becomes a ridiculous role that dies/wins too quickly in my opinion, like a worse version of YouTuber.

This is why instead I'm proposing Can't win after they died be set to OFF by default. I believe default settings should be reasonable so that players' first experience with a role is positive and they don't just end up hating the role because of them.

This setup (Can't win after they died OFF + Everyone knows who the Workaholic is ON) also matches the original Workaholic behavior from TOH_Y.

[KARPED1EM]

so this is just a advice send in first meeting?

[KARPED1EM]

as my point of view, give any advice to players is not necessary, how to play game is a skill issue and its necessary to let players find out how each role work and how play each role in a better way

[KARPED1EM]

make they can win after death by default is good idea, coz its a big feature of workaholic.

[KARPED1EM]

so that everyone have to decide whether they should vote out workaholic or not

[Filipianosol]

so this is just a advice send in first meeting?

Yeah, and makes Workaholic be able to win after death by default too.

I forgot to include the video, here:

https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/12639838/236742188-54d564e6-4194-44d3-93c7-baeb5a02f8c0.mp4

[Filipianosol]

as my point of view, give any advice to players is not necessary, how to play game is a skill issue and its necessary to let players find out how each role work and how play each role in a better way

When I host and we have a Workaholic I always tell people they shouldn't kill the Workaholic so I wanted an option (hosts don't have to enable it) that would automate that. Just like we have an option to notify players about God's presence. Would you accept it if I change it to default OFF? (right now Advice at first meeting if alive, can win after death, ghost tasks ON is ON by default)

Also as you can see by the name of the option 3 conditions have to be met, so it would often not appear (if Workaholic's already dead or host doesn't have these settings).

Hmm, would you prefer if instead there was an option to make Workaholic invincible, so people can't even kill them?

[Filipianosol]

make they can win after death by default is good idea, coz its a big feature of workaholic. so that everyone have to decide whether they should vote out workaholic or not

Thanks. Yeah I agree.

[KARPED1EM]

Sorry, but true to my development philosophy. I probably didn't intend to give the player advice on how to play in the game. That's why this mod doesn't have my name under the ping tracker. I'd prefer to omit almost all hints that aren't skills or critical warnings.

[KARPED1EM]

Sorry, but true to my development philosophy. I probably didn't intend to give the player advice on how to play in the game. That's why this mod doesn't have my name under the ping tracker. I'd prefer to omit almost all hints that aren't skills or critical warnings.

[KARPED1EM]

Sorry, but true to my development philosophy. I probably didn't intend to give the player advice on how to play in the game. That's why this mod doesn't have my name under the ping tracker. I'd prefer to omit almost all hints that aren't skills or critical warnings.

[Filipianosol]

Fair. You said the Workaholic: Can't win after they died: default OFF commit can be merged though, right?

[KARPED1EM]

oh internet here is too bad seems like i sent three same msgs

[KARPED1EM]

Fair. You said the Workaholic: Can't win after they died: default OFF commit can be merged though, right?

yes，this has been changed in dev version and thanks for your pr

[KARPED1EM]

Fair. You said the Workaholic: Can't win after they died: default OFF commit can be merged though, right?

yes，this has been changed in dev version and thanks for your pr

[Filipianosol]

oh internet here is too bad seems like i sent three same msgs

It's not your internet, GitHub is acting up for me now too.

Sending messages takes a long time too and it says I've pushed my changes (it's something else than this Workaholic update) but I don't see them on my fork when I go to the website. Other websites like YouTube work fine.

[Filipianosol]

Fair. You said the Workaholic: Can't win after they died: default OFF commit can be merged though, right?

yes，this has been changed in dev version and thanks for your pr

Thanks for merging it!

[KARPED1EM]

oh internet here is too bad seems like i sent three same msgs

It's not your internet, GitHub is acting up for me now too. Sending messages takes a long time too and it says I've pushed my changes (it's something else than this Workaholic update) but I don't see them on my fork when I go to the website. Other websites like YouTube work fine.

lol i cant even delete my repeated comment

[Filipianosol]

lol