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CHI - Shifting the General Roster a Bit #14045

Closed CKShrek321 closed 3 years ago

CKShrek321 commented 3 years ago

Quick questions HOI4 version: 1.10.4 Kaiserreich version: 0.16.1

Describe the change you would like: Move some of the generals you gain as the LKMT from focus into the starting General pool. Namely Hu Zongnan Du Yuming

Have Sun Li-Jen take Du Yuming's place under the Chinese's people's army national focus

Explain the reasoning behind this change: The way the LKMT's general roster is set up is somewhat weird. A lot of the generals are historical communists and insurgent leaders, which makes sense, but a lot of the generals locked behind focus were already generals by the Northern expedition or high ranking, which creates a story-gameplay segregation where you want to unlock "new" generals but it raises the question of why weren't they already in command at the start. Chiang Weikuo and Tai An-lan make sense because Weikuo didn't come back home to China till the 1940s OTL and Tai An-lan, while an early graduate of Whampoa, didn't gain generalship till mid-war.

I'd argue Du Yuming should be a general at the start because he was a protege of Chiang and graduated one of the first classes. He also made Lt. Colonel in 1928 and has a mechanized background (which makes him a weird choice for being unlocked with the "People's Army" focus. He also entered he war as a general in OTL.

Hu Zongnan is a more egregious case, because in-lore he's Dai LI's tool for taking over the NRA (serving as the dejure "President" after the coup). Zongnan, while a Whampoa clique member, got honeypotted by a female agent of the Juntong. I believe the Dai Li coup focus should instead promote Hu Zongnan to field marshal and give him political-connections and/or skilled staffer. That way in-game he's a general with some prominence, and then after the take over it's more clear what Hu's role was in the coup.

Finally, if there needs to be someone to take Du Yuming's place as the general you earn via the people's army focus, I think it should be Sun Li-Jen. OTL, Sun Li-Jen was not trusted because of his American education (KRTL he's trained in Britain, which I feel like should be changed back to the US because that's what makes him sort of unique) and struggled to make headway since he wasn't a Whampoa clique member. Since KRTL much of the NRA is a guerilla group and the US further humiliated China by setting up the legation cities, I'd argue he wouldn't have much prominence till later on in the war. OTL he was a corporal in 1927 and in 1936 a leader of T. V. Soong's Salt brigade (for tax collection). Therefore, I wouldn't have him be a general at the start, instead let him rise to prominence over game events. Especially since his stats are really good.

Additional context or comments: On a broader level, making these changes will help improve the starting LKMT General roster. I made a google doc back in PDX con when China's stuff first got leaked to highlight the political breakdown OTL https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XY-u-OCZF6YKdmtdC0S3QypHwO9Si4mS78laPQdnM4c/edit

Many of the generals are CCP generals, and then the rest are Wang-loyal generals during the Nin-Han split or people that defected to the CCP during the civil war. I do not have a huge problem with this, but I do feel like there should be more representation of the Whampoa clique at the start, given that they would be the few Soviet/French trained generals the KMT had before they went into exile (albeit most of the old guard went into Yunnan). If not, I'd change the focus descriptions to say that these old Whampoa clique generals are returning to the Central committee from the R-KMT cliques

ghost commented 3 years ago

Thank you, I'll have a look into this and get back to you in the future. It may be a little while since I am going through a lot IRL so bear with me, I'm sure you understand :)

CKShrek321 commented 3 years ago

Thank you, I'll have a look into this and get back to you in the future. It may be a little while since I am going through a lot IRL so bear with me, I'm sure you understand :)

Hey DSFDarker, I'm sorry to hear that and I really hope I'm not burdening you too much. Thank you so much for taking the time to read and answer to my suggestion as well as all of your hard work in this mod. I wish you all the best, in both your personal life and modding!

ZimbabweSaltCo commented 3 years ago

Will archive this in the China discussion area.