Closed SpontaneousPapaya closed 3 years ago
Th3A1ph4D0g
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3 years ago @SpontaneousPapaya Do you have any sources that give the output in places like Guinea or Mali from somewhere near 1936? While these places may produce millions of tons of resources today, the technology to discover these deposits might not have been present.
SpontaneousPapaya
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3 years ago @SpontaneousPapaya Do you have any sources that give the output in places like Guinea or Mali from somewhere near 1936? While these places may produce millions of tons of resources today, the technology to discover these deposits might not have been present.
https://media.africaportal.org/documents/OCPPC-PB-1521.pdf
This article cites bauxite production commencing in the early 1950s in Guinea, although they were known about far earlier and only really exploited so late due to the world not really having a shortage of the stuff.
https://pubs.iied.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/migrate/G00726.pdf?
This article mentions that iron has been extracted in artisanal mining in Mali since the precolonial era.
Th3A1ph4D0g
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3 years ago The same article for Guinea shows that no alumina plant was created until 1957 so the small amount that NFA gains from the Riches of Africa focus seems okay to me since that is a focus that can be taken before 1940, nearly two decades early.
And then in the second article, there is a large difference between an off-hand mention of some light artisanal mining of iron that took place since the middle ages and large scale mechanized industrial mining of iron.
I do concede that Sierra Leone should produce some steel though as their iron exports OTL in the 1936-WW2 period were pretty considerable. With that added, I am going to unassign myself as the rest of this pertains to MAF/POR
SubRyan
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3 years ago Do you have any sources that give the output in places like Guinea or Mali from somewhere near 1936? While these places may produce millions of tons of resources today, the technology to discover these deposits might not have been present.
League of Nations statistical yearbook Mineral and Industrial Production for 1935-1936
League of Nations statistical yearbook Mineral and Industrial Production for 1936-1937
League of Nations statistical yearbook Mineral and Industrial Production for 1937-1938
League of Nations statistical yearbook Mineral and Industrial Production for 1938-1939
League of Nations statistical yearbook Mineral and Industrial Production for 1939-1940
Th3A1ph4D0g
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3 years ago Thank you SubRyan for the links to the LoN pages.
However, I looked through them and the only mentions of French Equatorial Africa is a large amount of gold, and miniscule amounts of zinc and copper. None of which are used as resources in HOI4.
SubRyan
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3 years ago Thank you SubRyan for the links to the LoN pages.
However, I looked through them and the only mentions of French Equatorial Africa is a large amount of gold, and miniscule amounts of zinc and copper. None of which are used as resources in HOI4.
The gold deposits could be used as a basis for a focus however, i.e. something like Exploiting Gold Deposits which ends up adding a civilian factory or two to the applicable areas in the French Republic.
SubRyan
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3 years ago As for the rest of the suggestion regarding resources in Africa:
Cement production - possible addition of a civilian factory through a decision/focus
Phosphate production - possible addition of a civilian factory through a decision/focus and a small bonus to monthly population due to fertilizers
Coal mining - possible addition of a civilian factory through a decision/focus
Manganese mining - possible addition of a civilian factory through a decision/focus
Iron ore mining - placement of steel as a resource
907,000 metric tons mined in 1935 1,010,000 metric tons mined in 1936
715,000 metric tons mined in 1935 640,000 metric tons mined in 1936
251,000 metric tons mined in 1935 328,000 metric tons mined in 1936
254,000 metric tons mined in 1935 387,000 metric tons mined in 1936
192,000 metric tons mined in 1935 235,000 metric tons mined in 1936
Copper mining - possible addition of a civilian factory through a decision/focus
Lead mining - possible addition of a civilian factory through a decision/focus
Zinc mining - possible addition of a civilian factory through a decision/focus
Tin mining - possible addition of a civilian factory through a decision/focus
Chrome mining - addition of chromium as a resource
Produced ~5,000 metric tons annually by the end of 1939
Tungsten mining - addition of tungsten as a resource
Produced 280 metric tons annually by the end of 1943
Produced 142 metric tons annually by the end of 1939 Produced 77 metric tons annually by the end of 1940
Cadmium production - possible addition of a civilian factory through a decision/focus
Antimony mining - possible addition of a civilian factory through a decision/focus and a bonus to Infantry Equipment production due to antimony being used in bullet production
Quicksilver / mercury mining - possible addition of a civilian factory through a decision/focus
Vanadium mining - possible addition of a civilian factory through a decision/focus and a bonus to armor / mechanized / motorized / naval reliability due to vanadium steel
Molybdenum mining - possible addition of a civilian factory through a decision/focus
Silver mining - possible addition of a civilian factory through a decision/focus and/or a bonus to consumer factory use
Gold mining - possible addition of a civilian factory through a decision/focus and/or a bonus to consumer factory use
Zankoas
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3 years ago @SubRyan This suggestion is getting a little out of hand in size and scope. I handle MAF (and all those released from it), so will take away that side of things. For your suggestions outside of MAF, if you want to propose them further, please open a new issue report and the correct person will be assigned to it.
Thanks for your input!
Quick questions HOI4 version: 1.10.4 Kaiserreich version: 0.16.1
Describe the change you would like: Allow MAF, POR, NFA, or any other western power to start really exploiting the resources of Africa once they return their governments to a semi functional state, adding resources via resource prospecting decisions. Much of Africa is extremely resource rich and many deposits are easy to extract provided there's a functional government to allow development.
Suggestions by country Angola- Large deposits of iron are present in the southern part of the country. Burundi- Small reserves of rare earth metals (chromium, I guess?) Cameroon- One of the largest reserves of cobalt in the world in the southeast. (chromium) DRC- Already modeled with Katanga's focus tree, but maybe make it available for other powers? Congo- Moderate iron ore reserves in the south. Equatorial Guinea- Small iron ore reserves, extracted even in precolonial times Gabon- Large manganese (chromium) and iron reserves in the northeast Ghana- Midsize reserves of bauxite and iron ore in the south. Guinea- Largest bauxite reserves in the world. (they get a bit with Riches of Africa, but nowhere near the potential) Large iron ore reserves in the south. Mali- Midsize bauxite, iron, and manganese reserves in the south Mozambique- Midsize deposits of bauxite in the south, massive coal reserves in Tete Namibia- Small iron deposits by Windhoek Niger- Large coal deposits in the north Nigeria- Large coal and iron reserves in the south Sierra Leone- Largest iron ore deposit in Africa, large bauxite reserves Sudan- Large iron reserves Ubangi-Shari- Midsize iron reserves in the southwest. Uganda- Large copper reserves (Copper's represented by steel in Katanga foci) Zambia MASSIVE copper reserves in the "Copperbelt" state