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HAW - The portrait used for David Kalākaua is of somebody else. I have made a new one. #14519

Closed JovianSpeck closed 3 years ago

JovianSpeck commented 3 years ago

Quick questions HOI4 version: 1.10.4 Kaiserreich version: 0.16.1

Describe the change you would like: Replace the portrait for monarchist Hawaii leader David Kalākaua. I have made a replacement if you wish to use it.

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Explain the reasoning behind this change: The image used currently is actually of a different man. There are very few images of David on the internet. His Wikipedia article uses an image of him as a child, and none of the other photos found of him using simple image searches are suitable. Despite this, I was able to find a decent photo of him in a 1937 issue of Life Magazine. I used it to create what I believe to be a decent HOI4 style portrait image. Happy for you to use it if you want, otherwise the scanned image is there in the archive if somebody wants to make a better one.

Additional context or comments: I don't know anything about Hawaiian naming conventions, let alone for royals, but it seems weird that he is referred to by his first and middle name in the game, as if his middle name were his surname. I think this is also the case for his sister Lydia, the other option for monarch. It seems to me like it would make more sense for David to be referred to as either David Kawānanakoa (his first and surname), David Kalākaua Kawānanakoa (his full name), or with a regnal name like Kalākaua II (Hawaiian monarchs seem to have had European style regnal numbers) or Koke (apparently he was also referred to as Prince Koke. Not sure what that means though). A regnal name for his sister could be Liliʻuokalani II, which uses her middle name. Kalākaua and Liliʻuokalani also happen to be the names of the last king and queen of Hawaii, respectively, so continuing with someone taking the regnal name of either of them could be good lore.

Alpinia commented 3 years ago

We'll try to look into possible sources for David, but this has been investigated before, and even the source you posted isn't good enough for a portrait, sadly. If we can't find any sources, I'll at least correct it so the current one is Edward instead.

JovianSpeck commented 3 years ago

Sorry, but what would qualify as good enough verification for a portrait? This photo comes from an iconic, reputable magazine from the time that was known for its photojournalism, and they specifically identified the image as being of David. The man in the image is the same as the man, also identified as David, in this image, which is now a stock image provided by the Smith Archive. He also clearly resembles the child used for his Wikipedia article image, which is sourced as being from a book literally about significant men in Hawaii written in 1925 and published by a Honolulu based publisher. Might I remind that this man was a member of the Hawaiian royal family, and both 1937 pictures (the one I used and the stock photo) were released as part of photojournalism pieces about his high profile arrest for murdering his partner - surely it was clear at the time to these Hawaiian news sources that the man they were photographing and putting into their articles was indeed the son of the former Crown Prince of Hawaii who was about to go to trial for the second time for killing someone. Every image found when searching for David is of this man, except for the ones that are of his father and grandfather (who he was named after), and that one single photograph of his nephew Edward (which clearly labels him as Edward). Not only is that image of Edward verifiably not of David, but it's verifiably of Edward. So either the man in the photo I used is actually of David, or there are no images of David and all surviving press from his life including his childhood and his high profile criminal trial all used images of the same imposter.

If all of that isn't enough to verify that this man is David, I'm very curious as to what it was about that image of Edward, who was 12 years old in 1937, that apparently had such rock solid verification that it was used for David's portrait over pictures that are obviously of David.

Alpinia commented 3 years ago

I'm not disputing the man is David Kalakaua - what I meant is that the photo's quality isn't good enough for it to be colourised. Edward himself has been cut.

JovianSpeck commented 3 years ago

Oh lol, my bad. Well, it's possible to buy that magazine online for like $10. Maybe having a physical copy and doing your own scan might yield better results? Although the actual photo itself could just be too small to have the necessary detail. Either way, he wouldn't be the worst looking portrait. Even in Hawaii. The starter RadSoc leader for Hawaii looks lower quality than the David pic.

Anyway, the stock photo I linked earlier is the best quality I could find digitally, but he's not looking at the camera. Could still work? There are some portraits in the game currently where they're not looking at the camera, David's sister included. Surely one of those two is better than nothing or someone else entirely though, right?

(This has made me realise that some of the Hawaii portraits could do with a revamp in general).

Alpinia commented 3 years ago

We're working on a possible another source for David, using the one above. For the time being, I've removed Edward from the files and left Lydia as the only potential queen. Thanks for the report, either way.