BUL, OTT, ETS - changes and additions

[MrWowski]

Quick questions HOI4 version: Latest. Kaiserreich version: Again, latest. I think it's 1.1.2. (In case one of the devs views it, can they explain why HOI4 and KR versions are required for a suggestion? I get why about bugs, but why is it there for suggestions too?)

Describe the specific change you would like: BUL:

• change Georgi Dimitrov's ideology from Radical Socialist to Totalist.
• add Valko Chervenkov as an alternative Totalist leader.
• add Todor Zhivkov as a RadSoc. OTT:
• Turkish endonyms for the entire Arab Peninsula, perhaps maybe the SocLib path could convert them to vilayets. ETS:
• General rework or at least a foreign policy/expansion tree.

Explain the reasoning behind this actionable change: BUL:

• Georgi Dimitrov was extremely dictatorial and had great personal pride; so much that OTL he even built himself a mausoleum (which he was buried in) in the center of Sofia. The mausoleum was destroyed after several failed attempts in late August 1997. Also, the punitive work camps such as Belene, the ''People's Court'' that massacred or jailed thousands of non-communists starting from late 1944 has been orchestrated almost entirely by him. There is no reason that this man should be a RadSoc, in fact, with his cult of personality in particular he befits a Totalist.

• Valko (or Vulko, both A and U work) Chervenkov can be added as an easter egg leader that comes into play in 1949, a bit like Nixon with the PSA. He was indeed important in OTL communist Bulgaria's history and, being a Stalinist leader similar to Dimitrov, he is supposed to be a Totalist.

• Todor Zhivkov can be added as a RadSoc leader. He was not as dictatorial as the previous two I mentioned and was in fact quite popular, and remains so even today, OTL he even had a nickname "Bai Tosho" which roughly means "Father Tosho" or "Big Brother Tosho". I believe he can perfectly fit what Georgi Dimitrov was supposed to be in game - an authoritarian, but relatively benign and uninteresting socialist who is neither idealistic, nor tyrannical - unlike their more idealistic Syndicalist counterpart Manol Vasev.

Furthermore, it is a case of ''why not'': Tito can become an easter egg leader of Yugoslavia in KR, and Zhivkov is pretty similar to him; both are considered the personifications of the Communist past in their respective countries. Now, OTL Zhivkov was pretty much a nobody in the Communist party in the 30s, but in KR this could change and have a logical reason for it.

OTT:

• For even more imperialist-minded players, consider adding the ability to annex/core/claim/have Turkish endonyms/one of all these on the entire Arab peninsula. As of now you can get some Turkish endonyms at specific places in there, but not everywhere. And especially the SocLib paths can result in a terribly fugly Jabal Shammar enclave that has no reason to be there. Lore-wise, JBS is an Ottoman emirate (?) and as such if the Empire becomes a Sublime Federation, it can just become a federal unit/vilayet within it. Consider adding this during the upcoming Ottoman rework.

ETS:

• Here I can just say, rework/revamp East Turkestan entirely, or at least add something to do with it. Currently it just revolts and loses the revolt in most games, and even if it does somehow win against Xinjiang and Kumul, it's only internal politics. I think that Russia can invite ETS to the Moscow Accord, but that's about it, really. You just sit there in former Xinjiang, be blue, be independent, and also be useless to yourself and the KR world.

I'm not sure if it can join the MA on its own volition even or only Russia can invite it. In the KR universe, I'd expect ETS to wish to join (or form on its own) a greater Turkestan spreading from Xinjiang to the Caspian, with great influence coming from the only other major Turkic state - the Ottoman Empire. (Can they join the Istanbul pact as of the current update? While I'm writing this suggestion I started an Ottomans game just to check that.)

I suppose that formation of an ETS-formed Turkestan could go a bit like this: Germany could, with Afghan and Ottoman assistance (Afghanistan can join the Reichspakt now and help invade Russia) form a Central Asian bloc of nations, which in-game would be represented as Germans and/or Ottomans having military access, the member nations having military access to each other and a national spirit. It would include East Turkestan and (maybe, but highly unlikely if the Ottomans eat it) Iran. WW2 ends with a German victory and the formation of a greater Turkestan. Once Turkestan becomes unified, which would be post-Weltkrieg, Germany and the Ottomans could fight over it by the use of an influence mechanic of sorts. If Iran remains independent during the course of this and joins the Reichspakt through the ''pact with Iran'' decision Germany gets, then there could be some infighting within that potential Central Asian bloc. Turkestan would probably claim Ashghabat as its own, but it'll likely be under Iran still, Afghanistan would want Badakshan (which in-game is represented by a claim)

I absolutely believe that especially an OHF/Kemalist government would be very amicable with ETS and form a tight bond with it, and that a Liberal/HIF government wouldn't refuse assistance to the Uyghurs either. I firmly think that ETS's most logical partner and biggest supporter on the world stage would be the Ottomans and not so much the Russians.

Considering that, I also think that a potential ETS revamp or rework, especially if it's not as in-depth as I suggested (and my suggestion is a VERY rough example) should absolutely be released together with an Ottoman rework.

Additional context or comments: Not much else to add, except, devs, please answer me down here if you think I am wrong on something. And not just devs, but others too. Thank you for the attention.

[Limfjorden]

I think you should split these suggestion into three issues. They have nothing to do with eachother, so why are they in the same issue?

[MrWowski]

@Limfjorden For two reasons. One; the Ottomans and Bulgaria are obviously related and so is East Turkestan, with the Ottomans being a major advocate (according to ETS lore) for their independence.

Secondly, I did not want to spam multiple suggestions, much easier and less of a spammy mess to just put them into one.

[Limfjorden]

One; the Ottomans and Bulgaria are obviously related (...)

You'll have to explain why

• change Georgi Dimitrov's ideology from Radical Socialist to Totalist.
• add Valko Chervenkov as an alternative Totalist leader.
• add Todor Zhivkov as a RadSoc.

has anything to do with

• Turkish endonyms for the entire Arab Peninsula, perhaps maybe the SocLib path could convert them to vilayets.

Because I don't think it's obvious what their relation is.

Secondly, I did not want to spam multiple suggestions, much easier and less of a spammy mess to just put them into one.

If you seperate your suggestions into more issues, it will be easier for the team to manage, because they can close each issue once (if) it gets implemented. When you have these three unrelated suggestions in one issue, you are not making it easier to manage; you are making it harder. They may agree with your suggestions about bulgaria, but not the other two. When the issue is closed as resolved it would create ambiguity over which exactly of your suggestions were implemented.

[MrWowski]

Well, yes, in that specific regard all these aren't related, true. You're correct. I was about to say the two are related historically in real life, but realized it doesn't matter much in the context of this conversation.

And for the other thing, what do I do with this suggestion now? Do I just break it into two (or three? or four even?) and make as many specific issues as needed, or can this post stay the way it is and I should just not merge things like this in the future? I mean, making three or more posts at this point WILL indeed be a spammy mess, wouldn't it?

Whatever the case, answer me please instead of deleting it, since I'm far too lazy to re-write the thing. I want to have somewhere to copy and paste it from. I don't see how to draft it, so yeah.

[Limfjorden]

I think if you just make two more issues and seperate it by tag, it will be fine. I like your bulgaria suggestion, so keep it here, while moving the others to new issues. It shouldn't take long :)

[MrWowski]

Done!

[DerEherneRaecher]

(Closing this since it has been split into two issues)