Tripolitanian States Revision

[Chewy598]

HOI4 version: 1.8.1 Kaiserreich version: 0.10a

Describe the change you would like: Revision of Tripolitania's States to better reflect pre-Weltkrieg colonial borders

Explain the reasoning behind this change: Allowing Britain and France (but mostly Britain) to retake old Tripolitanian Territories, which Britain could do before (until Kufra's state border changed). Also creates a new way for the Entente to partition Libya.

Additional context or comments: Kufra's State border is changed in this to better reflect Britain's part of Tripolitania, and it can be seen that it is almost identical to the old Tripolitanian border. Jaghbub is it's own state as to not mess with the impassable border with the Sahara Desert and keep the historical border. The rest of the states would remain the same.

[Chewy598]

English: Progressive territorial additions to Italian colony of Libya 1912 - From Ottoman Empire 1919 - From French Algeria and French West Africa - after Treaty of Versailles 1923 - De jure from Ottoman Empire - 1931 - De facto from Senussi - after Italian conquest of Cufra 1926 - From Kingdom of Egypt - Compensation for participation in the First World War 1934 - From Anglo-Egyptian Sudan - Compensation for participation in the First World War 1935 - From French Equatorial Africa - According to Franco-Italian agreement - Compensation for participation in the First World War - Not ratified Reference Image, also if someone culd direct me to someone who could explain the reasoning why Tripolitania owns land that was only ceded to them after the non-existant Treaty of Versailles?

[Chewy598]

Also adds land that Egypt cann annex without making the border look horrendous

[Jeankedezeehond]

Whilst those maps are all fine and dandy, they have nothing at all to do with how Libya was actually ruled back then but solely reflected what the colonial powers carved out for themselves, with some 'empty' sand districts going back and forth to smoothen relations but on the ground meant fuck all.

The parts 'given' by France to Italy in 1919 had no French control over them at all and that border wasn't even officially agreed upon before 1919 because neither the Italians, Ottomans or French actually knew who controlled what since they had no one on the ground there (for the Italians it was even more pathetic as they by 1918 had no control over anything in Libya besides 3 fortified cities in which they could do nothing but hope that the Libyan resistance would fall apart, which it eventually did when the Tripolitanian Republic fell). In reality those parts were ruled by local tribes who lived practically entirely outside of any governing entity but their own with as closest partner likely the "Ottoman" government in Tripolitania and Fezzan, although saying partner is already quite a stretch.

Kufra whilst appearing on maps as "Egyptian" had in practice nothing to do with Egypt and was ruled by the Senussi order (who also appear in game and are even ruling Libya atm). This order functioned as an independent country with its own education system, army, religious practices and fought campaigns in both Chad against the French and against Italy after the Ottoman-Italian war. Dscharabub was their spiritual capital and a key stronghold of the order so ofc it's their land. If you look up why it was in fact 'ceded' to Italy was because the Italians were fighting a protracted war against the Senussis and the Brits were so kind to sign a paper that handed the territory (which was the only real path through the desert towards the capital) they had no control over to Italy so they could genocide the Cyrenaicans more efficiently.

In short, redrawing the state borders to not reflect the actual divisions on the ground in accordance with who is actually in charge there now, which is an independent Egypt and a quasi independent Cyrenaican Emirate but to instead make it possible for colonial powers that aren't even there anymore to make borders that they never even really had in the first place is a tad silly. Since the Senussis are an important player in KR (as well as OTL before they all got massacred), we have chosen to portray the borders in a way that represents effective control on the ground instead of arbitrarily drawn lines that don't actually mean anything.

If you're interested in the history of Libya and its borders, I would suggest " The Making of Modern Libya" by Ali Abdullatif Ahmida. Pretty good book and tells you a lot more about how Libya and the Senussi order actually worked instead of just a map that showed how the Italian colonial government made an agreement with the British colonial government.

[Chewy598]

Thanks for the suggestion!