Closed P1derasist closed 4 years ago
UPD: Ukraine as of 1918 And administrative-territorial divide of the Ukrainian State. Green dotted line - territorial claims.
The border we currently have in game was drawn after extensive research, and it roughly follows the Russian guberniyas.
Quick questions HOI4 version: 1.9.1 Kaiserreich version: 0.11.2
Describe the change you would like: Transfer of Slobozhanshchina to Ukraine
Explain the reasoning behind this change: Of course, I do not know what is planned in the new update of Ukraine, but there is an unresolved issue of borders. So I'll start with the history of the world in the game.
The Treaty of Minsk
https://kaiserreich.fandom.com/wiki/Russian_Civil_War
So now let's look at the territory of Ukraine that departed from it According to the Brest-Lithuanian Peace Treaty But this is not final because Ukraine in 1918 negotiated with the RSFSR.
Peaceful Negotiations between the Ukrainian State and the RSFSR (1918)
(Ukrainian Delegation, 1918)
For the Ukrainian side, negotiations with the RSFSR were dictated by the need to resolve the problems that objectively arose from the collapse of the Russian state and the self-determination of Ukraine. For the Russian side, they were compelled by a measure bound by the Brest peace treaty of the RSFSR with the states of the Fourth Union of March 3, 1918. These negotiations involved heated discussions not only on purely political relations but also on the border.
Since this is not said in the English version of Wikipedia, I will use Ukrainian Wikipedia: https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BD%D1%96_%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8_%D0%BC%D1%96%D0%B6_%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%8E_%D0%94%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%8E_%D1%82%D0%B0_%D0%A0%D0%A1%D0%A4%D0%A0%D0%A0_(1918)
Russia has ratified the treaty, which means that it should continue to negotiate with Ukraine at the border. Ukraine was on the side of the victors, and Russia was destroyed and humiliated, so it could not in any way speculate and delay the negotiations. That is why I believe that those territories to which Ukraine had claims should be attached to it.
And this is Slobozhanshchina.