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The draft version of the lehd schema: https://lehd.ces.census.gov/data/schema/
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CIP Level Doc Changes #24

Closed jodyhoonstarr closed 4 years ago

jodyhoonstarr commented 4 years ago

Since the user needs to filter, or at least generally understand, the two and four digit CIP codes we should add a bit of text and reference material to the schemadocs. Put any relevant links/refs in this ticket.

andrewfoote commented 4 years ago

Dumb question - can we just say "2-digit Series" and "4-digit Series"?

That is how they are referred to here: https://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/cipcode/Files/CIP_Help_Document_2020.pdf

srt1 commented 4 years ago

That's a question for the application team. My sense is that they wanted to have something less jargony, perhaps, to those who don't know what a CIP code is. I don't really care, myself.

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Dumb question - can we just say "2-digit Series" and "4-digit Series"?

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jodyhoonstarr commented 4 years ago

Yeah, that's right - less jargony. The 2-digit/4-digit text works but then needs some explanation of what a series is. Here's the text from ed that we can use verbatim. Maybe just an example of one 2 digit cip and all it's 4-dight children is good enough for the schema.

What is the CIP? The Classification of Instructional Programs (CIP) provides a taxonomic scheme that supports the accurate tracking and reporting of fields of study and program completions activity.

srt1 commented 4 years ago

2-digit and 4-digit is fine for the schema. Since we don't have any useful terms from Ed to go on ("family" doesn't cut it), how about something like:

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Yeah, that's right - less jargony. The 2-digit/4-digit text works but then needs some explanation of what a series is. Here's the text from edhttps://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/cipcode/Default.aspx?y=56 that we can use verbatim. Maybe just an example of one 2 digit cip and all it's 4-dight children is good enough for the schema.

What is the CIP? The Classification of Instructional Programs (CIP) provides a taxonomic scheme that supports the accurate tracking and reporting of fields of study and program completions activity.

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srt1 commented 4 years ago

.. or "Area of instruction" and "degree field"?

The app should make it reasonably obvious that by these terms we mean 2-digit and 4-digit (hover-over, help button, whatever)

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2-digit and 4-digit is fine for the schema. Since we don't have any useful terms from Ed to go on ("family" doesn't cut it), how about something like:

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Yeah, that's right - less jargony. The 2-digit/4-digit text works but then needs some explanation of what a series is. Here's the text from edhttps://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/cipcode/Default.aspx?y=56 that we can use verbatim. Maybe just an example of one 2 digit cip and all it's 4-dight children is good enough for the schema.

What is the CIP? The Classification of Instructional Programs (CIP) provides a taxonomic scheme that supports the accurate tracking and reporting of fields of study and program completions activity.

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srt1 commented 4 years ago

BTW, I was just looking at the Cornell website this morning, and was inspired by our motto:

“I would found an institution where any person can find instruction in any study.”

-Ezra Cornell

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.. or "Area of instruction" and "degree field"?

The app should make it reasonably obvious that by these terms we mean 2-digit and 4-digit (hover-over, help button, whatever)

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2-digit and 4-digit is fine for the schema. Since we don't have any useful terms from Ed to go on ("family" doesn't cut it), how about something like:

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Yeah, that's right - less jargony. The 2-digit/4-digit text works but then needs some explanation of what a series is. Here's the text from edhttps://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/cipcode/Default.aspx?y=56 that we can use verbatim. Maybe just an example of one 2 digit cip and all it's 4-dight children is good enough for the schema.

What is the CIP? The Classification of Instructional Programs (CIP) provides a taxonomic scheme that supports the accurate tracking and reporting of fields of study and program completions activity.

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srt1 commented 4 years ago

And the unofficial follow up:

Andrew Dickson White: "But Ezra, that sounds great, but then everyone will want to come there."

Ezra: Not where I'm going to put it.

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BTW, I was just looking at the Cornell website this morning, and was inspired by our motto:

“I would found an institution where any person can find instruction in any study.”

-Ezra Cornell

From: Stephen R Tibbets (CENSUS/CES FED) Stephen.R.Tibbets@census.gov Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 11:55 AM To: LEDApplications/lehd-schema lehd-schema@noreply.github.com; LEDApplications/lehd-schema reply@reply.github.com Cc: Assign assign@noreply.github.com Subject: Re: [LEDApplications/lehd-schema] CIP Level Doc Changes (#24)

.. or "Area of instruction" and "degree field"?

The app should make it reasonably obvious that by these terms we mean 2-digit and 4-digit (hover-over, help button, whatever)

From: Stephen R Tibbets (CENSUS/CES FED) Stephen.R.Tibbets@census.gov Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 11:51 AM To: LEDApplications/lehd-schema lehd-schema@noreply.github.com; LEDApplications/lehd-schema reply@reply.github.com Cc: Assign assign@noreply.github.com Subject: Re: [LEDApplications/lehd-schema] CIP Level Doc Changes (#24)

2-digit and 4-digit is fine for the schema. Since we don't have any useful terms from Ed to go on ("family" doesn't cut it), how about something like:

From: Jody Hoon-Starr notifications@github.com Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 11:28 AM To: LEDApplications/lehd-schema lehd-schema@noreply.github.com Cc: Stephen R Tibbets (CENSUS/CES FED) Stephen.R.Tibbets@census.gov; Assign assign@noreply.github.com Subject: Re: [LEDApplications/lehd-schema] CIP Level Doc Changes (#24)

Yeah, that's right - less jargony. The 2-digit/4-digit text works but then needs some explanation of what a series is. Here's the text from edhttps://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/cipcode/Default.aspx?y=56 that we can use verbatim. Maybe just an example of one 2 digit cip and all it's 4-dight children is good enough for the schema.

What is the CIP? The Classification of Instructional Programs (CIP) provides a taxonomic scheme that supports the accurate tracking and reporting of fields of study and program completions activity.

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jodyhoonstarr commented 4 years ago

I'm not entirely sure it's obvious in userland what the practical differences between 2 digit and 4 digit cips are without exploring the data. Closing this for now since the cip level has the 2 vs 4 digit text and I'm not entirely sure how this could be made clear in either the app or schema via text.