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LMMS / lmms

Cross-platform music production software
https://lmms.io
GNU General Public License v2.0
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Steam/Microsoft Store release #5426

Open mkljczk opened 4 years ago

mkljczk commented 4 years ago

Hello, Just as there is Krita available to buy on Steam and Microsoft Store (it costs ±$10), I would like to suggest releasing LMMS for a small price tag on these app stores. It would make LMMS more recognizable and could give you more funds to develop LMMS. Not sure if I should post it there rather than mention it on discord first

Spekular commented 4 years ago

This is an interesting idea. Another benefit on both services would be that users are notified when updates release. On Steam, one could also look into using Steam Cloud to sync data. However, I don't know that the price tag is necessary. Last I checked I believe BOL income is enough to cover dev expenses, and consensus seemed to be that we're not 100% sure what to do with additional income. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong on this.

I know Steam takes a $100 fee to distribute, unsure what Microsoft takes.

qnebra commented 4 years ago

Microsoft takes one time registration fee: 19$ for individual and 99$ for companies.

Maybe certificate for lmms installer?

musikBear commented 4 years ago

Ehrrr image Whut?!! Take money.. as in 'sell' Afair its utterly excluded in Tobias Doerfels set of statitutes

iSaluki commented 3 years ago

I think releasing LMMS on Steam would be a good idea overall. Because doing what Krita does, it would be possible to raise some funding, which could be used to hire freelancers to do some development work on the program.

But for me personally it would be much better, as it would allow things like automatic updates, and a much easier way to move between computers.

ZarmDev commented 2 years ago

Is lmms still considering doing this?

musikBear commented 2 years ago

There should never be a mandatory price placed on LMMS. It is stated so in the orr. charter. Anyone can donate to the project: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?item_name=Donation+to+LMMS&cmd=_donations&business=donations%40lmms.io If you want to support LMMS, donation is the correct way to go. Honestly..... Why should a Free & Open Source FOS-Software connect it self to Microsoft?!? or Steam?! It would most likely influence our FOSS status too, but im no lawyer (or vampire). I am totally against it!

qnebra commented 2 years ago

Well, it is more complicated. As I am aware, you can release programs at Microsoft Store / Steam as free, but you pay as developer for putting your program into store. Also, publishing at MS Store / Steam doesn't mean program suddenly lose FOSS status.

ZarmDev commented 2 years ago

Before considering price, why haven't they added it to the store anyway? Free or priced. Is it complicated?

Monospace-V commented 2 years ago

LMMS would have to be changed to run admin-independent, without the installer the way it is right now... unless that's already possible, or if there's something I don't know about in how Store can host apps and run them. Hmm, winget...

I don't know what to think of Krita: yes, store version is paid because they need to support development, but a portable version exists. The same doesn't go for LMMS.

Personally I don't believe there's any point to mandatory price: We can keep offering installer for free while making the store version paid, like Krita. But this could get very few takers. LMMS is more likely to get more users through a free store version, since one of the main reasons people use store apps instead of installed ones is either ease of installation, or how admin permissions aren't required. See: young people experimenting with music, who may not necessarily have administrator permissions or the knowledge to use them. This also applies for people who would rather not give an app administrator permission if they can help it. Also that LMMS isn't as popular as Krita, and music apps in general aren't as popular as art apps: you're going to have lesser people willing to buy a random app off the store.

I, for one, would love to see an MS Store version of LMMS. It already exists in Ubuntu's app store, I believe. MS Store's "music software" is either questionable applications by random companies that look and feel plasticky and clunky, like a malicious rip-off of a more popular baby-UI'ed music software; or the occasional nice but rather buggy and confusing music sketch software by a developer working alone. Seeing LMMS in that list, a welcome contrast, clean green and white logo... if I weren't broke, I'd pay towards that.

tresf commented 2 years ago

LMMS would have to be changed to run admin-independent, without the installer the way it is right now... unless that's already possible, or if there's something I don't know about in how Store can host apps and run them. Hmm, winget...

This would be a few lines. Apple and Linux already work this way. NSIS installers absolutely could, it's a matter of disabling the UAC (trivial) and if that's done, install user space (some registry keys will need to move).