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Planning for the LSST 2016 Project and Community Workshop, Tucson, August 15-19 #484

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drphilmarshall commented 8 years ago

Hi all,

@bethwillman has scheduled three observing strategy sessions for us at the upcoming LSST 2016 Project and Community Workshop in Tucson, August 15-19. As you've probably seen, the meeting is being discussed on community.lsst.org here - please do follow along and/or chip in over there. The meeting agenda page is here - click through to the individual session pages (although in many cases there is not much to see yet).

Here's the rough plan, for what should be a nice one-day get together:

  1. Plenary: LSST's Observing Strategy and Community Study - Thursday 11:00am -12:30pm - Organizers: Phil
    • Overview of OpSim, MAF, and the latest simulations (Zeljko)
    • Introduction to the Observing Strategy White Paper (Phil)
    • Highlights from the Observing Strategy White Paper (assorted authors)
  2. DDFs and Other Ancillary Time Projects - Thursday 1:30pm-3:00pm - Organizers: Niel and Lynne
  3. Observing Strategy Hack Session - Thursday 3:30pm-5:00pm - Organizers: Phil

Comments welcome! If you haven't registered yet but plan to come to the workshop, here's the link.

Now, let's see who's coming to Tucson! Please add yourself to (or remove yourself from) the list below by editing this comment. I'll start it by parsing the attendee list for names I recognize, apologies if I miss you out somehow.

  1. Timo Anguita @tanguita
  2. Eric Bellm @ebellm
  3. Niel Brandt @nielbrandt
  4. Chuck Claver @cclaver
  5. Kem Cook @kem0cook
  6. Scott Daniel @danielsf
  7. Zeljko Ivezic @ivezic
  8. Vishal Kasliwal @AstroVPK
  9. Mike Lund @lundmb
  10. Ashish Mahabal @ashish
  11. Phil Marshall @drphilmarshall
  12. Josh Meyers @jmeyers314
  13. Gordon Richards @gtrichards
  14. Steve Ridgway @StephenRidgway
  15. Colin Slater @ctslater
  16. Michael Strauss @michaelstrauss
  17. David Trilling @davidtrilling
  18. Lucianne Walkowicz @lmwalkowicz
  19. Peter Yoachim @yoachim
  20. Will Clarkson @willclarkson
drphilmarshall commented 8 years ago

Great! 19 of us at the Tucson meeting is a good group. Now, I am in charge of a 90 minute plenary session (Thursday 11am-12:30pm), in which we should show the assembled project and science collaboration audience some results of our MAF evaluation program. Who has some nice quantitative MAF results in your chapter that you would like to show off in a 10 minute talk? I already asked Humna, since she has a paper out already (our first one!); I think we need between 2 and 4 more highlights for a good session. I think Zeljko will cover the proposed OpSim runs in his talk, so we can focus on metric analysis to show the crowd what we are trying to do.

lundmb commented 8 years ago

I've got a paper that was published start of the year on some of the metrics developed, as well

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Phil Marshall notifications@github.com wrote:

Great! 19 of us at the Tucson meeting is a good group. Now, I am in charge of a 90 minute plenary session (Thursday 11am-12:30pm) https://project.lsst.org/meetings/lsst2016/agenda/community-workshop-plenary-0, in which we should show the assembled project and science collaboration audience some results of our MAF evaluation program. Who has some nice quantitative MAF results in your chapter that you would like to show off in a 10 minute talk? I already asked Humna, since she has a paper out already (our first one!); I think we need between 2 and 4 more highlights for a good session. I think Zeljko will cover the proposed OpSim runs in his talk, so we can focus on metric analysis to show the crowd what we are trying to do.

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ebellm commented 8 years ago

I'd be happy to show results from the Transients Chapter that @fedhere and I edited--we emphasized valuable science cases that are challenging to execute in the current baseline cadence.

drphilmarshall commented 8 years ago

Great, thanks both, @ebellm and @lundmb. What shall I list as your talk titles?

Others: anyone else got some MAF results they'd like to show? How about some solar system fun, @dtrilling?

willclarkson commented 8 years ago

Hi Phil - I could talk about building simple figures of merit from diagnostic metrics in the context of the Galaxy chapter.

What's your deadline for a title? I'd like to include stellar microlensing if we can get the material into shape in time.

Best,

Will

Dr. Will Clarkson Assistant Professor of Physics and Astronomy University of Michigan-Dearborn

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Great, thanks both, @ebellm and @lundmb. What shall I list as your talk titles?

Others: anyone else got some MAF results they'd like to show? How about some solar system fun, @dtrilling?

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lundmb commented 8 years ago

For my title, something along the lines of "Additional metrics for exploring stellar variability" or such would be my initial title, but if you've got a way you'd like that reworked, I'm flexible on the title.

On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Will Clarkson notifications@github.com wrote:

Hi Phil - I could talk about building simple figures of merit from diagnostic metrics in the context of the Galaxy chapter.

What's your deadline for a title? I'd like to include stellar microlensing if we can get the material into shape in time.

Best,

Will

Dr. Will Clarkson Assistant Professor of Physics and Astronomy University of Michigan-Dearborn

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Great, thanks both, @ebellm and @lundmb. What shall I list as your talk titles?

Others: anyone else got some MAF results they'd like to show? How about some solar system fun, @dtrilling?

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rbiswas4 commented 8 years ago

I am happy to talk a bit about SN cosmology, but most of it will probably not be MAF based.

bethwillman commented 8 years ago

Dear all -

Two cents from my perch: I'm particularly interested to see talks that demonstrate (i) the definition of specific metric(s) and figures of merit, (ii) the application of those metric(s) to simulated observing strategies, and (iii) the lessons learned. This will be the third year (and not the last!) that the observing strategy will be a topic of the August meeting - Let's push on showing mature results, even if they are limited.

I suggest that talks should at least be able to demonstrate (i), and contributed talks that can also address (ii) and (iii) should be prioritized.

Cheers beth

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I am happy to talk a bit about SN cosmology, but most of it will probably not be MAF based.

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rbiswas4 commented 8 years ago

My first post probably has too little information about what I was proposing, and @bethwillman provides a good framework for the contents.

I propose to discuss a bit of (i), (ii) and (iii). But I hope to mostly discuss analogs of (ii) and (iii) some of which can later be used to justify (i).

davidtrilling commented 8 years ago

phil -- yes, i'd be happy to talk for 5-10 minutes about MAF and solar system and other goodies.

thanks for asking --

david

On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Phil Marshall notifications@github.com wrote:

Great, thanks both, @ebellm and @lundmb. What shall I list as your talk titles?

Others: anyone else got some MAF results they'd like to show? How about some solar system fun, @dtrilling?

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jhRho commented 8 years ago

I will be attending the conference as well.

  1. Jeonghee Rho @jhrlsst Raul, what about including SN classification metric which was led by Michelle Lochner in Oxford (during the HACK session)?

@bethwillman (ii) the application of those metric(s) to simulated observing strategies -> Do you mean "simulated observing strategies" simulated by OpSim? This item is tricky for SN cosmology session, since new Opsim simulation (with newly suggested observing strategies) is not available yet. So far we applied the metrics to the existing Opsim output. We will think about this.

drphilmarshall commented 8 years ago

@jhrlsst I think Beth is referring to metric analysis of any opsim output. Most important is to evaluate minion_1016, the baseline cadence with the new sky brightness model, but comparisons between this and other cadences would be very interesting.

So, we have the following list of plenary speakers:

I think this makes a nice slate: if Zeljko and I use 12 mins each on the introductory material, you can all plan on taking 7 mins each (allowing 3 mins per speaker for questions). You'll need to introduce the science and get to the results fast! We will make a single, shared Google slide set to make it easy to switch between speakers. I will start this and send you the link.

Speakers: note that completing your science section's summary with Zeljko's 10 questions (as issued in #494) will help you enormously in preparing your plenary talks! :-)

drphilmarshall commented 8 years ago

Here are our notes on hack session planning from today's meeting:

Hack Session Activities:

Hack Session Homework:

bethwillman commented 8 years ago

Dear All -

I'm going to go ahead and get this list posted on the agenda for this plenary.

Cheers Beth

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Phil Marshall notifications@github.com wrote:

@jhrlsst https://github.com/jhrlsst I think Beth is referring to metric analysis of any opsim output. Most important is to evaluate minion_1016, the baseline cadence with the new sky brightness model, but comparisons between this and other cadences would be very interesting.

So, we have the following list of plenary speakers:

  • Humna Awan - Large Scale Structure
  • Eric Bellm - Transients
  • Mike Lund - Stellar Variability
  • David Trilling - Solar System
  • Rahul Biswas - Cosmological Supernovae
  • Will Clarkson - the Milky Way I think this makes a nice slate: if Zeljko and I use 12 mins each on the introductory material, you can all plan on taking 7 mins each (allowing 3 mins per speaker for questions). You'll need to introduce the science and get to the results fast! We will make a single, shared Google slide set to make it easy to switch between speakers. I will start this and send you the link.

Speakers: note that completing your science section's summary with Zeljko's 10 questions (as issued in #494 https://github.com/LSSTScienceCollaborations/ObservingStrategy/issues/494) will help you enormously in preparing your plenary talks! :-)

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drphilmarshall commented 8 years ago

Thanks Beth!

drphilmarshall commented 8 years ago

Hi all,

@tonytyson suggested that @jmeyers314 would make a good addition to our plenary talk, with his recent MAF results on the impact of the observing strategy on weak lensing. Josh, would you be willing to give a 5 minute talk on these results next week, please?

Plenary speakers @ivezic @ebellm @willclarkson @lundmb @rbiswas4 @davidtrilling @humnaawan : I have made a set of Google slides here for us all to present from next week. I will share them with you individually as well so that you can edit them, but they are commentable by anyone. I've made you a title slide and one content slide each, it would be great if you could add 4 more to make a 5 minute talk on (one of) your science case(s). Remember, we are trying to show highlights (read: one highlight each!) of our ongoing community study, with emphasis on MAF results and conclusions about LSST observing strategy. I think 5 minutes should be plenty of time for this kind of highlight talk. We should then have time for 1 or 2 questions from the audience on each of your results (as long as we keep within our alloted time too, Zeljko! :-) )

Let us know if you have any questions! I'll be happy to help with slide formatting, uploading etc for the googly-challenged.

tonytyson commented 8 years ago

add @tonytyson

jmeyers314 commented 8 years ago

Sure, @drphilmarshall . I think the WL results are a bit preliminary compared to some of the others, but I'd be happy to show what we've got.

drphilmarshall commented 8 years ago

Thanks, Josh! It's no bad thing showing a bit of diversity: the main thing is that the audience sees real quantitative results from our community program, that the Project can make good use of going forward. It should be very clear by the end of our plenary session that we are all about quantitative metric analysis, with diagnostics leading to Figures of Merit, in science cases we really care about.

drphilmarshall commented 8 years ago

Plenary speakers @ivezic @ebellm @willclarkson @lundmb @rbiswas4 @davidtrilling @humnaawan @jmeyers314 : please let me know if you are having trouble editing the Google slide set. It's commentable by all, but only editable by us. I will be showing my introductory slides to the Science Advisory Committee on Monday, so anything you can do before the weekend to show what results you will present will be enormously helpful to me - I'll be able to give the SAC a quick preview to show them where we are at, and hopefully your progress will inspire them in their thinking about how the project should make use of our analyses. Thank you!

willclarkson commented 8 years ago

Hi @drphilmarshall - I have roughed up some slides for the milky way chapter into the google slide set. The broad outlines of what I present on Wednesday are unlikely to change much from this.

Cheers -- Will

drphilmarshall commented 8 years ago

Thanks all for your slide contributions so far! I have put in my introductory slides and you can see a lot of what @ivezic is planning to say as well. Comments welcome!

yoachim commented 8 years ago

Hey everyone,

For the hack session on Thursday afternoon I've made a tutorial notebook to show how to work with samples of objects, based on discussion in #496. I could spend 0.5 hours walking people through this as part of the session if that's helpful. https://github.com/LSST-nonproject/sims_maf_contrib/blob/master/science/Transients/TransientMontewUPS.ipynb

drphilmarshall commented 8 years ago

That's great, thanks Peter! At the start of the session I will spend 5 minutes welcoming people and explaining how the session will work, and say that for the first part of the session one option will be to join you at the projector for a walkthrough of your tutorial followed by discussion of how to build similar metrics that involve populations of objects. Thank you very much for doing this! :-)

Doing the little intro first is important, as there might be people who don't want to listen in to the tutorial, but instead want to talk quietly in other groups, or get on with other hacks. Ill ask for anyone who has a particular hack in mind to stand up and state in 30 secs or less what they are going to do, so that newbies can go hang out with them. Since hacks must have products, we'll spend 10 mins at the end hearing 30 sec reports on what people did and what they're going to do next. Attention: if you have a hack planned, be ready to state your goal for the session in 30 secs at the start of the session!

See you all tomorrow,

Phil

drphilmarshall commented 8 years ago

PS. The plenary slides at http://ls.st/96j are looking in good shape! :-)

drphilmarshall commented 8 years ago

Hi all! Thanks for all your contributions and attention during last week's meeting sessions - I think all of the plenary, hack session and unconference went really well. I'll issue my notes and we'll go from there.

I realized too late that I should have enabled BlueJeans for the plenary but did not (I had not realized that I was my own technical support for that session!) - apologies to those who wanted to join remotely but could not ( @sethdigel @janewman-pitt-edu ). The Google slides that we used are still open for comments, and I'll be happy to answer questions there if you have them.