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Shinryu's tp move Dark Matter incorrectly resetting hate #1576

Open w3genesis opened 7 years ago

w3genesis commented 7 years ago

Date & Time: 2017/7/15

FFXI Client Version (use /ver): 30170707

Server's Expected Client Version matches, yes/no? (use $ecv): yes

Character Name: Gouken

Nation: Bastok

Job(level)/Sub Job(level): 99 Sam/dnc

NPC or Monster or item Name: Shinryu

Zone name: Abyssea - Empyreal Paradox

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Multi-boxing? (multiple clients on same connection): yes

Steps To Reproduce / any other info: Shinryu's Dark Matter is doing magic damage, aoe terror, and also resetting hate. Every single time this tp move is used on tank, Shinryu will follow up with alliance draw in and proceed to attack a non-tank player. According to both http://ffxiclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Shinryu and https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Shinryu, this tp move should not be resetting hate. The biggest problem with hate reset for this move is that the tank is also hit by terror and cannot do anything for a long time to gain hate back. If Shinryu casts meteor during the terror duration, it will most likely lead to wipe, and there is no proper counter if this happens.

TeoTwawki commented 7 years ago

Bad news: a ton of tp moves on Legion are intentionally different that what retail has. shin is "beefed up" so there is a high probability this is intentional. I will double check and also if its op'd that will get sorted out separately during the reorg when I get cracking on balancing

w3genesis commented 7 years ago

Currently Shinryu is close to impossible when it combines high regain, aoe terror, draw in and meteor. You can try fighting it with any combination of job except blu, all it needs is terror + meteor to wipe everyone. Pretty op for a boss on same tier as kirin. Only solution is blu magic shield which will resist terror and meteor.

TeoTwawki commented 7 years ago

nope blu magic shield isnt any diff than stacking mdt gear.

w3genesis commented 7 years ago

At 85% mdt on pld, didn't resist terror even once, every one of those hit for full duration. Meteor from Shinryu hits for 4000, only tank can survive that, but tank can't do anything when terrored and everyone else is dead.

TeoTwawki commented 7 years ago

mdt doesnt resist terror and neither does blu spell. that error was fixed long before today. also for your information I have been on shin runs as my NON gm char and we won. hard as hell but far from impossible

when I did the run we assumed these were intentional

if not it will get fixed. and if it is then like I said, it will get reexamined when I get to rebalancing - good chance if the moves getting put more in line with retail. but pls don't fill this ticket with arguing with me about stats.

w3genesis commented 7 years ago

It requires luck, lots and lots of luck. If I keep trying and dying, maybe I can kill him without him using that terror draw in meteor combo. That doesn't make it non-op though.

TeoTwawki commented 7 years ago

see edit

starting to annoy me here. its not going to get handled faster from you saying these things

when I did the run we assumed these were intentional

if not it will get fixed. and if it is then like I said, it will get reexamined when I get to rebalancing - good chance if the moves getting put more in line with retail. but pls don't fill this ticket with arguing with me about stats.

TeoTwawki commented 7 years ago

What it requires is not relavant to my answer:

I already said it will get looked at

when you just go on about it after that it doesn't help

R3P0FFXI commented 7 years ago

@TeoTwawki just a reminder since were already working on Shin for the nextupdate