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Ctrl+e is bad for opening expose #47

Closed Lixissimus closed 8 years ago

Lixissimus commented 8 years ago

@TwoLaid Under windows and Ubuntu, ctrl+e jumps into the address bar in chrome. Therefore, you can neither toggle the expose without clicking into the body, nor use any other keys to navigate to the desired window. I would suggest to change it to cmd/ctrl+i.

Lixissimus commented 8 years ago

Oh, ctrl+i seems to be blocked by open inspector. However, there is no inspector. So could we use it, @JensLincke ?

timogasda commented 8 years ago

I would imagine that we will have an Inspector at some point, so it would be best to reserve Ctrl+i for now ..

Im not sure what else we could use

Lixissimus commented 8 years ago

I thought, the ObjectEditor is also the inspector.

j4yk commented 8 years ago

How about Ctrl+^? Or Ctrl+` for US keyboards. The key directly above Tab in any case, so maybe also consider Alt as the modifier key.

Lixissimus commented 8 years ago

ctrl+/^ is super hard to press, so I wouldn't like that. Also alt+ on Ubuntu switches between windows of the same application. Maybe alt+q? That's kinda similar to alt+tab.

JensLincke commented 8 years ago

can we find somthing else like CTRL+i for now? maybe we will launch the object editor there...

j4yk commented 8 years ago

Then maybe look for some Ctrl+Fx binding. Here you might find possibly "reserved" ones: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_keyboard_shortcuts For example, Ctrl+F3, Ctrl+F8 and Ctrl+F9 have no bindings there. According to that, Ctrl+F6 is "next pane", whatever that means, on Windows.

If you cannot find a free Ctrl+... binding, you might fall back to Ctrl+Shift+...

I find Alt+Shift+... also quite comfortable to press, at least on my keyboard.

Lixissimus commented 8 years ago

Nice list! According to that list, alt+q is still available. I like it, because you can reach it easily from the 10-finger-position. I find it more confortable than reaching blindly for the Fx keys. I have commited it in addition to cmd+e, so you can try it out and maybe we can make a decision next wednesday. :)

JensLincke commented 8 years ago

I like alt+q... what about alt+w to close our windows?

JensLincke commented 8 years ago

or should alt+q maybe toggle then through the windows like alt+tab. maybe in combination with expose?

Lixissimus commented 8 years ago

I think, it should toggle through the Windows, yes. I'm not sure, whether the expose should close when the alt key is released (and focus the currently selected window)? How does expose behave on osx?If alt+w is available, it is fine for closing the windows.

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or should alt+q maybe toggle then through the windows like alt+tab. maybe in combination with expose?

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timogasda commented 8 years ago

Expose on os x is pretty much like how I implemented it in lively. press the key -> get overview -> press key again to return or click on window to focus

Lixissimus commented 8 years ago

Ok, then we should probably just leave it like this.