Closed MarkGotham closed 1 year ago
P.s.
Vsus4
doesn't include the 5 ...I54
My two cents:
To me, sus4
is more jazz/pop notation. 54
is the natural choice for a classically oriented corpus (which certainly describes this corpus at least as it presently stands). In any case it appears that music21 doesn't really parse sus4
in the way we would want at the moment.
As for [add4][no3]
, it gets printed out from the DCML conversions because it's part of a general solution for handling the DCML notation of added and substituted tones; it's not the prettiest, but (thanks to a good deal of testing and catching edge cases), it works reliably.
In any case, are you sure that removing these inconsistencies should be top priority, provided that music21 can parse everything that's in the corpus correctly? We run the risk of overcorrection (making things "the same" that aren't really the same). And there may be other issues that require more attention, e.g.,
used extensively in the corpus (I54).
I believe these I54's are holdovers from when music21 incorrectly parsed 54 chords, and need generally to be corrected to V54. This has been on my TODO list for quite a while.
Thanks @malcolmsailor. All quite true.
And I think it best for this meta-corpus to stay 'classical', at least in the sense of limiting the remit to born-functional analysis (i.e., no deduction of Roman Numerals from key and chord). I am happy to expand on why, and welcome views as always.
Back to the immediate task at hand: is 54 as reliable as the long form in your experience?
Done for the existing 54
cases https://github.com/MarkGotham/When-in-Rome/commit/02a60bcb2f8c95d136c2384e9f2aa5a4748be428
@malcolmsailor and @jacobtylerwalls, do you think 54
is solid enough to replace [addX][noY]
. If so, we can expand the scope.
As far as I know 54
and [add4][no3]
are equivalent. But there are many other possibilities for added/omitted tones in the DCML syntax ([addX][noY]
, as you put it), which don't necessarily have clear figured bass renditions. Getting these to parse properly was one of the delicate parts of implementing the DCML -> music21 conversion.
You can do a find/replace for [add4][no3]
if you like, but keep in mind you'll have to redo it every time we update the DCML conversions.
Hmm. Thanks. Yes, I think this is still worth pursuing, even if only for a few, identifiably robust cases.
We have a script for running the DCML converter, so no problem making sure this (replace [add4][no3]
with 54
routine) happens each time, as long as it's included there, right?
Then what's the full list of replacements we'd like to check are robust and then see implemented:
[add4][no3]
-> 54
p.s. Probably not worth trying to implement this at the level of the converter itself? @mscuthbert will never allow it ;)
No concerns about 54
if it's working/tested.
No concerns about
54
if it's working/tested.
Great, thanks @jacobtylerwalls . What about other numbers in that format? Same confidence? ;)
Had another look at this and am pretty such that rntxt syntax requires the full verbosity in all but the simplest cases.
Consider even a relatively simple case of the 754
in first inversion: V65[no3][add4]
. What's the shorthand? And even if there's a clear answer to that, do people writing (or even reading) an rntxt analysis know it?
So if we can't aim to reduce all the suspensions the question is whether it's worth a few select mappings. 54 would be the obvious candidate.
V[no3][add4]
(sic with space)V7[no3][add4]
(sic with space)I[no3][add4]
(with space, not case sensitive)No action for now. To consider for another time.
The parts of this discussion we should still are as follows:
Unclear exactly where to do 3 -- perhaps in music21? Something like "Some additional syntax hints":
V[add4][no3]
syntax. Alternatives like V54
should be equivalent in that specific case, and are accepted, but are less tested, and not as flexible.
There are several options (including in music21-compatible syntaxes) for expressing figures like suspensions.
WiR is currently not entirely consistent. That's hardly surprising as it's grown gradually over a long time, with many contributors, and even music21 has changed a lot during that time. In any case, the analyses would be visually clearer if there was consistency across the meta-corpus, and this should be possible without change / loss of information.
Suggestion:
E.g.,
V642
,V42
, andV2
all stand unambiguously for the same thing.V2
?#4
unchanged (or implement more complex check on 67 defaults as a separate dev).Suspensions provide a slightly more complex case in point. Suggestion:
[add4][no3]
.sus4
.sus
and you get nothing much.54
I54
).sus
. Some potential confusion over I vs V.sus4
reliable? Best?5(4)
. @napulen: AugmentedNet outputs this syntax, so you'll want to change that.TODO:
Thanks as always for any input / suggestions / PRs.