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[BUG] problem with SKR1.3 TMC2208 & linear advance #14634

Closed gravit0n78 closed 5 years ago

gravit0n78 commented 5 years ago

Use: marlin -bugfix - 2.0.x (27.06.19) Ender 3 pro Skr 1.3 + TMC2208 standalone Machine components: initial Cura 4.1.0 Printing method: sd

Hello, please help with the problem, the extruder motor does not work during printing, what could be the problem? Skr 1.3 + TMC2208 standalone, X/Y/Z axis moves correctly, E-axis stop moving after two initial lines.

Configuration.txt Configuration_adv.txt

teemuatlut commented 5 years ago

The current solutions are to use SQUARE_WAVE_STEPPING or to increase MINIMUM_STEPPER_PULSE.

thisiskeithb commented 5 years ago

The current solutions are to use SQUARE_WAVE_STEPPING or to increase MINIMUM_STEPPER_PULSE.

Would it make sense to add some conditionals/errors/warnings alerting you to enable those options if TMC steppers are used?

This question comes up a lot in the various 3D printing groups/forums.

teemuatlut commented 5 years ago

I'll see if I can put together a small PR this week. Adding compile warnings is more of a philosophical question and needs approval from powers that be.

gloomyandy commented 5 years ago

Is there a reason why MINIMUM_STEPPER_PULSE is simply not set to 1 (or 2) when using these drivers? After all we set minimum pulse values for other drivers.

gravit0n78 commented 5 years ago

Is there a reason why MINIMUM_STEPPER_PULSE is simply not set to 1 (or 2) when using these drivers? After all we set minimum pulse values for other drivers.

I tryed the values 1/2/4, it did not help

EvilGremlin commented 5 years ago

Disable stealthchop or linear advance, it's widely known issue, 2208 don't like rapid direction changes and falls into protection. And try other slicer first, Cura is swarming with bugs. Maybe it's just trying to sent your printer to the next galaxy, judging from speeds in 4.1's gcode. Of course, printer don't like that. And generally remember: suspect Cura before anything on any occasion.

gravit0n78 commented 5 years ago

i dont use stealthchop, only S-curve accseleration with 2208 wuthout UART/SPI, just STEP/DIR control, when LA is active - E-axis dont work

EvilGremlin commented 5 years ago

Still don't work even in spreadcycle? Well, then your luck is bad. Use another driver, or higher voltage. This bug seems to be fixed in 2209, though i didn't try 'em on bowden yet.

LastDragon-ru commented 5 years ago

i dont use stealthchop ... with 2208 wuthout UART/SPI

define E0_DRIVER_TYPE TMC2208_STANDALONE

nope, you use stealthchop 😄

LastDragon-ru commented 5 years ago

UART (recommended):

// Required
#define MINIMUM_STEPPER_PULSE 1 (or 2)
#define E0_DRIVER_TYPE TMC2208

// Comment to disable stealthchop (there is no other way for this...)
// #define STEALTHCHOP_E

If UART is not possible:

macasero commented 5 years ago

I am running in sort of the same problem. With an old version of marlin 2

SKR 1.3, 2208 uart, s-curve, LA, enabled Old version works New version doesn´t

Here are config files for both

E0 2208 uart.zip

einencool commented 5 years ago

I got the same Problems with a MKS Gen L with many try&errors, although the minimum_step_pulse 1/2/4 didn‘t help. When LA is switched off, everything works good, but the print quality is not so good. Now I switched for the extruder to an A4988 and everything works well. It‘s a little bit noisier on the extruder, but now it works great and that‘s worth it....

gravit0n78 commented 5 years ago

I finally switched for the extruder to a LV8729 and everything works , with microstep 1/128 it is equal noise level tmc2208

palladin82 commented 5 years ago

SKR 1.3 TMC2130 same problem.

But E0 allways going backwards! Disabling LA, changing stepper pulse, disabling stealthchop does not solve the problem.

OLD ver marlin2 works NEWer marlin2 doesn't

ModMike commented 5 years ago

Linear advance does not work with 2208 in stealth chop. Disable it and it works.

Anyone know if this was resolved in 2209s?

EvilGremlin commented 5 years ago

Yeah, it's fixed in 2209. Though 2208 also works in most cases, you just need right settings. And problem isn't exactly in stealthchop, it also fails in spreadcycle.

ModMike commented 5 years ago

I was going nuts trying to get linear advance to work about a year ago until I finally figured out it was stealth chop. I was about to give it a go with 2209s on my Fysetc Cheetah board, thank you for confirming it's been fixed.

talldonkey commented 5 years ago

Yeah, it's fixed in 2209. Though 2208 also works in most cases, you just need right settings. And problem isn't exactly in stealthchop, it also fails in spreadcycle.

Hi @EvilGremlin , Can you fill us in on the right settings? Or at least settings that you know to work. I'm hoping to find that magic setting to keep a 2208 in stealthchop with LA. I already have square wave stepping on.

EvilGremlin commented 5 years ago

Can't do, from what i observed it's unique settings for every motor/vlotage/load combination. I didn't got it to work in stealthchop, and i don't remember any settings.

BlackNet commented 5 years ago

I have this very same issue on my Creality 1.1.5 'silent board' with my Ender-5. it's using 2208 chips and I have linear_advance enabled and the value is 0.6. I was able to do 1-2 small prints and the K test print at first but the next day it just would not print at all. I was able to disable linear_advance and able to print again.

Also, noteworthy is on this firmware index 0 is 2208_standalone, index 1 is A4988. I can print with E1 linear_advance set to 0

ChristoffL commented 5 years ago

I just troubleshooted this issue on my delta. But I did not have the issue only when printing, also during manual extrusions it failed. Guess I just undefine it for now. Also did not work in Spreadcycle or stealthchop btw.

boelle commented 5 years ago

@gravit0n78 is the issue still there?

arminth commented 5 years ago

@boelle
This issue still persists. I can't get TMC2208 UART working on an skr1.3 on Extruder. Spreadcycle doesn't do the trick.The moment you enable LA, any movement on Extruder is not doing anything but just enabling the stepper. Same happens when trying to move the E-stepper manually.

arminth commented 5 years ago

Enabling SQUARE_WAVE_STEPPING and spreadcycle now did the trick for me. But this is nothing you would come across automatically....

thinkyhead commented 5 years ago

I have found that SQUARE_WAVE_STEPPING is essential, in-general. We should definitely make a point to let people know to try it if they have issues with LA and Trinamics. Meanwhile, it sounds like a step pulse issue of some kind. Did you ever experiment with the pulse durations to see if longer ones cleared things up (at possible sacrifice of top speeds)?

arminth commented 5 years ago

Hi Scott, I never tried it as I have also no idea, which values could be reasonable. I will try it know by increments of 2 and let you know the outcome. Will disable SQUARE_WAVE_STEPPING while testing to avoid "crosscontamination".

Cheers Armin

arminth commented 5 years ago

Here are my testing results:

Setup: SKRV1.3 with BTT TMC2208 UART drivers, Controller Fan enabled Printer: Anycubic Kossel LA: 0.27

Test Method: Increase pulse length by increment of 2 starting at 0. Try to move Extruder 1mm manually. Extruder doesn't move: NOT OK, Extruder move: OK - stop increasing pulse length

Test in Spreadcycle with SQUARE_WAVE_STEPPING disabled: //#define MINIMUM_STEPPER_PULSE 0 NOT OK

define MINIMUM_STEPPER_PULSE 0 NOT OK

define MINIMUM_STEPPER_PULSE 2 OK

Test in Stealthchop with SQUARE_WAVE_STEPPING disabled: //#define MINIMUM_STEPPER_PULSE 0 NOT OK

define MINIMUM_STEPPER_PULSE 0 NOT OK

define MINIMUM_STEPPER_PULSE 2 NOT OK

define MINIMUM_STEPPER_PULSE 4 OK

With SQUARE_WAVE_STEPPING enabled and MINIMUM_STEPPER_PULSE commented out, extruder moves both in stealthchop and in spreadcycle.

Hope this helps a bit!

Cheers Armin

talldonkey commented 5 years ago

Hi arminth,

FWIW, I found out (a few months ago) that being able to move extruder 1mm does not indicate that it will continue working for the duration of a print. I've had successful extruder moves with LA enabled, completes the first few layers and looks promising, but then sometime later the extruder shuts off and starts air printing.

I currently have it working with: Spreadcycle with SQUARE_WAVE_STEPPING and /#define MINIMUM_STEPPER_PULSE 0 (Commented out)

When I tested back then - when I enable Stealthchop, I am able to move extruder 1mm manually, but I can't get it to complete any meaningful print (sometimes I can get a calicube to complete successfully, but that's not too useful)

Setup: SKRV1.3 with FYSETC TMC2208 UART drivers, Controller Fan enabled Printer: Ender-3 LA: 0.15

So I'm eager to see if your test results hold up to overnight-type of print, fingers crossed marlin development in the months since has fixed it somewhere.

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 10:21 AM arminth notifications@github.com wrote:

Here are my testing results:

Setup: SKRV1.3 with BTT TMC2208 UART drivers, Controller Fan enabled Printer: Anycubic Kossel LA: 0.27

Test Method: Increase pulse length by increment of 2 starting at 0. Try to move Extruder 1mm manually. Extruder doesn't move: NOT OK, Extruder move: OK - stop increasing pulse length

Test in Spreadcycle with SQUARE_WAVE_STEPPING disabled: //#define MINIMUM_STEPPER_PULSE 0 NOT OK

define MINIMUM_STEPPER_PULSE 0 NOT OK

define MINIMUM_STEPPER_PULSE 2 OK

Test in Stealthchop with SQUARE_WAVE_STEPPING disabled: //#define MINIMUM_STEPPER_PULSE 0 NOT OK

define MINIMUM_STEPPER_PULSE 0 NOT OK

define MINIMUM_STEPPER_PULSE 2 NOT OK

define MINIMUM_STEPPER_PULSE 4 OK

With SQUARE_WAVE_STEPPING enabled and MINIMUM_STEPPER_PULSE commented out, extruder moves both in stealthchop and in spreadcycle.

Hope this helps a bit!

Cheers Armin

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blejdacik commented 5 years ago

Hello! PROBLEM with linear advance. Driver tmc2208, cheetah 1.2, Titan extruder. Extruder do retract at end of line, then hotend moves to next line and extruder retract again. Video here. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1n5HXvY2dTtWvLYJFYXQUAlujS76-b6wh/view?usp=drivesdk Sorry for my English but I hope you understand me. Thank you

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