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Interesting, I never heard about this controller before, seems like it was only
released in Japan.
Thanks for heads up anyway but still, without more informations about this
special joystick, it is a little hard to emulate it. Only solution is again to
disassemble games said to support it and look for special I/O detection &
access routines.
Do you have an exhaustive list of games supporting this controller ? I have
quickly looked into Afterburner II disassembled code but did not found any
special handling code inside it...
Original comment by ekeeke31@gmail.com
on 9 Mar 2011 at 11:35
Here is a list:
MEGA DRIVE/GENESIS
Afterburner II
M.U.S.H.A Aleste
Fastest One
Galaxy Force II
Ayrton Senna Super Monaco GP II
32X
Afterburner
Space Harrier
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I don't know if it helps but the Afterburner and Super Monaco GP games detect
and show in the title screen if it is a normal or analog joystick. As this
joystick was only released in japan, maybe only the japanese roms are
compatible.
Original comment by Rodrigo....@gmail.com
on 9 Mar 2011 at 11:55
Sorry for the double post, couldn't find an edit button
Here's is the title screen, in the lower left appears the name "Control Pad" if
you use a standard controller
[IMG]http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn262/Rebirfh/AfterBurnerIIJapan000.jpg[
/IMG]
Here is a picture of the japanese manual for afterburner, it clearly shows a
sensibility options for the analog pad that isn't acessible normally.
[IMG]http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn262/Rebirfh/Clipboard01-9.jpg[/IMG]
Original comment by Rodrigo....@gmail.com
on 10 Mar 2011 at 12:05
Thanks for the pictures, it helps figuring what kind of data the game is going
to read. And yes, I already figured it would display "Control Pad" on title
screen and always wondered why, I thought it was to make it more
"arcade-feeling"...
I actually found the analog pad routine in After Burner 2 code. It is similar
to the Sega Mouse protocol except that the game only "initializes" the
acquisition sequence then the controller automatically sends all the info about
button status, analog values, etc in a sequential way. The game looks at 2
input lines (TR/TL) to know which part of the data is returned and use some
kind of tempo to wait for analog controller to return next set of data.
I/O port mapping seems to be like this:
D6: 0 = start acquisition sequence, 1 = end of acquisition (output)
D5: indicates if D0-D3 are high or low bits of 8-bit data (input)
D4: same as D5
D3-D0: high or low nibble of 8-bit data
There is a total of four 8-bit data acquired which are (I guess):
- horizontal stick position (0-255)
- vertical stick position (0-255)
- buttons status (4 buttons = 4 bits, are the 4 remaining bits used ?)
- analog speed (0-255), I'm not sure to understand what this is, a translation
of the manual would help.
This is a preliminary analysis of the code, still need to figure the order of
data acquisition and the position of each buttons in the data field, their
state when pressed, etc, but I guess this should be possible to emulate ;-)
Original comment by ekeeke31@gmail.com
on 10 Mar 2011 at 12:30
I've put in some places hoping for someone to translate correctly.
While this doesn't happen, I typed ad google-translated it:
This game was released for the Company "XE-1AP" (analog joypad from now on
"AP"), Making possible the delicate operation of your ship. The operation is
shown below, AP connected to "CONTROL1",
How AP works
Control stick : moves ship
Start Button
Select and in-game pause menu
Speed control throttle
A trigger: missile
B trigger: fire vulcan
--------------
Connected to an AP-mode option "CONTROL" in the field of a center position can
be adjusted.
Stick in each direction, so that reading from the throttle began to view
numbers, please make sure to move.
While none hands
Usually "STICK", "SPEED" 127 to 128 both
Adjust the circle to take the AP or the volume adjustment done on the back of
the AP Please see the manual for detailed instructions.
Original comment by Rodrigo....@gmail.com
on 10 Mar 2011 at 5:11
Speed is actually the Throttle Analog Stick, seems like its adds a third analog
direction, i.e depth, for games using a first-person view.
From pictures, it seems there are 14 buttons on that thing (2x2 on each side,
6x at bottom, 4x on top), some of them must be auto-fire or stuff like that
since only 8 buttons status can be returned. Need more informations about
these, the AP user manual would also help a lot but it seems very rare (there
is apparently one on ebay)
Original comment by ekeeke31@gmail.com
on 10 Mar 2011 at 7:45
More info:
This joystick isn't exclusive for Mega Drive, it is in the box advertised also
for PC's X68000, MSX, PC8801,PC9801 and FM-TOWNS.
Images
http://www.gigaoldgames.com.br/16bits/imagens/md_xe1ap_03.jpg
http://www.gigaoldgames.com.br/16bits/imagens/md_xe1ap_00.jpg
http://www.gigaoldgames.com.br/16bits/imagens/md_xe1ap_01.jpg
http://www.gigaoldgames.com.br/16bits/imagens/md_xe1ap_02.jpg
The third analog (slider) looks like it can be rotated if you compare the
box/afterburner manual with the actual photos.
Buttons:
A
B
A¹ (same function as A?)
B¹ (same function as B?)
C
D
E¹ (?)
E² (?)
Start
Select
Analog Slider
Analog Stick
Mode 1 (Personal computer <--> Mega Drive)
Mode 2 (Digital <--> Analog)
Autofire Button A (ON <--> OFF>
Autofire Button B (ON <--> OFF>
Original comment by Rodrigo....@gmail.com
on 10 Mar 2011 at 8:48
This could be useful:
While normally a 9-pin DSUB connector won't fit in the PC Engine's 6-pin
mini-DIN, there was an adaptor (The XHE-3) which allowed the use of MSX, X68000
and FM-Towns1) pads on the PCE. When connected, the XE-1AP offered real
analogue control to all of four PC Engine games:
Comparison of Japanese PC, Sega + Amiga DB9 pinouts
http://www.gamesx.com/wiki/doku.php?id=controls:sega_atari_msx_x68000
------------------------------
Translated from a japanese web site:
"distinctive look reminiscent of a back and forth 256 degrees in each direction
(8bit) with the control stick and the output of stage 256 in the longitudinal
direction (8bit) with the output of the throttle lever, trigger button 8 +
start, equipped with the select button."
"Before using the XE-1AP, without a center control stick and throttle lever
should not be first. "AFTER BURNER" Since the configuration of the screen shows
you the analog input to quantify the situation, it is easy to use and implement
it. Because the hexadecimal stage I 256 & H7F ~ & H80 around the center point.
Centering on the rear of CH0 ~ CH2 done by turning the volume adjustment
screwdriver.
After adjustments are immediately verified.
"AFTER BURNER" after boot "OPT1" Switch to note that the analog control is
pressed."
Original comment by Rodrigo....@gmail.com
on 10 Mar 2011 at 9:08
Ok, so the 8-bit input data would be status of A,B,C,D,E1,E2,SELECT,START
buttons
The three other 8-bit data are the 3 analog values.
Mode 1 & Mode 2 buttons are not needed for emulation (default would be Analog
and Mega Drive): Digital mode is probably to make the controller works like a
3-Button (or Maybe 6-Button controller), Personal Computer mode to handle
compatibility with X68000.
Auto Fire could be emulated just like any other controller with Auto Fire, in a
generic way (currently not handle in Genesis Plus GX)
Original comment by ekeeke31@gmail.com
on 10 Mar 2011 at 11:45
Hum, 8-bit input data is more like status of A,B,C,D,A1,B1,E1,E2 buttons, with
START & SELECT handled differently (other bits maybe).
Original comment by ekeeke31@gmail.com
on 10 Mar 2011 at 12:06
I really know nothing about programming or hardware interface, but making an
educated guess, as afterbuner came out in Japan in 1988, I think it's safe to
asssume that A,B and Start are probably directly correlated with their 3 button
controller counterpart and this joystick (XE-1AP) has no correlation with the 6
button controller as it was planned only with the release of Street Fighter II.
Original comment by Rodrigo....@gmail.com
on 10 Mar 2011 at 3:55
A more accurate translation from the manual:
This game uses the [XE-1AP] (Analog Joypad. Henceforth: "AP") that we at (this
company) sell. Because of that, you can move the player in very delicate ways.
The illustration below shows that if you take AP and plug it into controller 1
then reset the consule, you become able to use AP.
Once you've plugged AP into your controller, head to Option Mode, and go to
"Control". There, you can adjust the callibration for the centered sticks
(*note: I'm somewhat guessing here). Once you've done that for both sticks, a
number will be indicated on screen. Once it does, move a stick to confirm. When
you don't move the sticks, a normal reading for "Stick" and "Speed" should be
about 127-128. If you need to adjust anything, on the back side of AP there is
a volume adjuster you can use. For details on that, please read AP's
instruction manual.
Original comment by Rodrigo....@gmail.com
on 10 Mar 2011 at 4:05
After some reverse-analysing of XE-1AP input code in AFter Burner 2, I finally
managed to figure which data was returned in which order. Only 4 buttons are
used by the game so I could not figure the position of unused buttons in
returned data.
Here are some screenshots from the SDL port of genesis plus I'm using to test
changes :
For informations, here are some infos about data returned by the controller (Th
is set as output and is used to control acquisition cycles):
TH TR TL D3 D2 D1 D0
1 x x x x x x
0 x x x x x x
x 0 0 ? ? B4 ? cycle = 0
x 1 1 B3 B2 B1 ? cycle = 1
1 x x x x x x
x 0 0 X7 X6 X5 X4 cycle = 2
x 1 1 Y7 Y6 Y5 Y4 cycle = 3
1 x x x x x x
x 0 0 ? ? ? ? cycle = 4
x 1 1 Z7 Z6 Z5 Z4 cycle = 5
1 x x x x x x
x 0 0 X3 X2 X1 X0 cycle = 6
x 1 1 Y3 Y2 Y1 Y0 cycle = 7
1 x x x x x x
x 0 0 ? ? ? ? cycle = 8
x 1 1 Z3 Z2 Z1 Z0 cycle = 9
1 x x x x x x
Original comment by ekeeke31@gmail.com
on 11 Mar 2011 at 9:14
Attachments:
After more analyzing of other games input engines, I think I got the
communication protocol pretty much correct now (it was not exactly as stated in
previous comment), all five games (including revisions) work fine with analog
controller now.
Musha Aleste seems buggy, it does not read analog sticks on the main screen so
you can't go to option menu. If you wait for the in-game demo loop before
hitting a button, it won't detect analog controller buttons anymore and you
need to reset the game manually. Everything works fine IN game though which
confirms it's not an issue with my emulation code but game's code.
It indeed seems that the right stick can be rotated: racing games use it as
left/right steering stick. It's unidirectional though, all games always get the
same data from cycles 5&9 above, cycles 4&10 are never used so it's not really
known which data is returned there (I initially thought it behaves like the
left stick with the ability to return X & Y axis data but it's not the case).
For both sticks:
Vertically, top position is 0, bottom position is 255, 128 is middle.
Horizontally, left position is 0, right position is 256, 128 is middle.
Buttons data returned in cycles 0 & 1 is:
? ? START SELECT A B C D
0 means button is pressed, 1 means it's released
Unknown buttons are probably E1 & E2 but since no games use these, there is no
way to be sure.
Original comment by ekeeke31@gmail.com
on 14 Mar 2011 at 9:10
Attachments:
Correction: Horizontally, right position is 255
Original comment by ekeeke31@gmail.com
on 14 Mar 2011 at 9:16
Attachments:
Thanks! and congratulations for being the first emu author to support this
function.
Original comment by Rodrigo....@gmail.com
on 14 Mar 2011 at 10:34
For completeness, here's a more accurate protocol description, this could help
other emu authors supporting this analog controller:
TH TR TL D3 D2 D1 D0
------------------------------
1 x x x x x x (write)
0 x x x x x x (write) reset acquisition
1 x x x x x x (write) sequence #1 (some games do not send this)
x 1 0 x x x x (read) data not ready
x 0 0 ? ? Start Select (read) START & SELECT buttons status (active low)
x 1 1 x x x x (read) data not ready
x 0 1 A B C D (read) A,B,C,D buttons status (active low)
...
0/1 x x x x x x (write) sequence #2 (some games write 0, others
1)
x 1 0 x x x x (read) data not ready
x 0 0 X7 X6 X5 X4 (read) left stick X axis value (msb)
x 1 1 x x x x (read) data not ready
x 0 1 Y7 Y6 Y5 Y4 (read) left stick Y axis value (msb)
...
0/1 x x x x x x (write) sequence #3 (some games write 0, others
1)
x 1 0 x x x x (read) data not ready
x 0 0 ? ? ? ? (read) unused by games, maybe same value as below
x 1 1 x x x x (read) data not ready
x 0 1 Z7 Z6 Z5 Z4 (read) right stick axis value (msb)
...
0/1 x x x x x x (write) sequence #4 (some games write 0, others
1)
x 1 0 x x x x (read) data not ready
x 0 0 X3 X2 X1 X0 (read) left stick X axis value (lsb)
x 1 1 x x x x (read) data not ready
x 0 1 Y3 Y2 Y1 Y0 (read) left stick Y axis value (lsb)
...
0/1 x x x x x x (write) sequence #5 (some games write 0, others
1)
x 1 0 x x x x (read) data not ready
x 0 0 ? ? ? ? (read) unused by games, maybe same value as below
x 1 1 x x x x (read) data not ready
x 0 1 Z3 Z2 Z1 Z0 (read) right stick axis value (lsb)
...
Within a sequence, the controller alternatively & automatically outputs the 1st
(TL=0) and 2nd (TL=1) 4-bit data.
TR indicates if data is valid (0) or if controller is still busy processing
data (1).
Writing 1 or 0 to TH will program next acquisition sequence (out of 5).
A transition from 1 to 0 on TH will restart first acquisition sequence.
Original comment by ekeeke31@gmail.com
on 14 Mar 2011 at 5:04
Implemented in 1.5.0
Original comment by ekeeke31@gmail.com
on 31 Mar 2011 at 10:44
Sorry for the extremely late response, but I was thinking with regard to Musha
Aleste, perhaps the "MODE 2" switch as discussed above should be implemented
after all? Presumably the developers originally intended for players to use the
digital mode to navigate the menu, then turn the switch to analog to play. If
this switch could be set in the menu like a button then it would be closer to
normal play, without having to exit to the menu to switch control types on the
fly.
That said, the analog controls in Musha are /horrible/ (not your fault, just
bad design), so from that perspective it's probably not worth it because nobody
wants to use it anyway. It also poses a problem for control schemes, e.g. I
don't think there are any spare buttons on the Wiimote+Nunchuk or GameCube
controller schemes, so it might have to be left out for those controls and only
work on Classic Controller, which seems limiting.
If you want to leave it as is, that seems reasonable due to the small usage
case here. Changing it would bring the experience a little closer to what's had
on hardware ... but still terrible and unlikely to be used for very long.
Obviously depends on your priorities, undoubtedly this would be a pretty low
one.
Original comment by vaguerant
on 29 Mar 2013 at 9:36
Continuing on from the above, it seems that XE-1AP support is currently
nonworking on Sega/Mega-CD games in genplus-gx. Three games were released which
supported the controller: After Burner III, Night Striker (Japan-only) and Star
Blade. However, I haven't been able to use the emulated 1AP with any of these
titles. Though I'm not sure of the exact reason, a couple of potential sticking
points come to mind:
1. XE-1AP input does not seem to be registered in the Sega/Mega-CD BIOS. With
apologies, I can't confirm if the same is true on hardware. It is possible
players would have been required to use the "MODE 2" switch set to Digital to
start the game before switching back to analog?
2. Games which support the XE-1AP seem to require that the controller is
connected on startup. e.g. If After Burner II (stock Mega Drive) is started
with a standard 3-button pad inserted, it will not respond to inputs from the
XE-1AP. Instead, the 1AP must be set, then the game launched. Due to point 1,
it's impossible to start games with the 1AP set. I've tried "hot-swapping" by
launching the game and immediately dropping out to the menu to switch
controllers, but with no results.
In my testing of XE-1AP support in stock Mega Drive games, all international
(e.g. USA) releases do still include analog support. However, it's possible
that the feature could have been removed from the international releases of
After Burner III and Star Blade. To confirm that this wasn't the issue, I have
also been testing with Japanese version games, which are known to support the
controller. However, just like their USA counterparts, Japanese BIOSes and
games do not work with the XE-1AP in genplus-gx.
Original comment by vaguerant
on 18 Jun 2013 at 9:24
Thanks, I didn't know it was supported in some CD games as well, I will have a
look but I doubt the software support implementation is different from cart
games and I do not see why my emulation code would not work for CD games
specifically.
To be sure if this controller is really supported and it was meant to be used,
the best way would be to find the game manuals.
However, there are zero chances that this controller is supported by CD bootrom
(any model) so, in the case of japanese bios which requires you to enter the CD
player interface to start the game, i guess you would have to start with a
normal gamepad and switch to xe-1ap when the CD is being loaded, before game
initializayion program really starts.
Original comment by ekeeke31@gmail.com
on 18 Jun 2013 at 12:19
I just managed to get Japanese After Burner III working with the XE-1AP, so it
looks like you're correct and there's no issue with your code. Apologies for
the false report. AF3 does the controller check on the title screen,
specifically. If you switch early, during the attract sequence, any input will
be ignored (but if you let it sit long enough, you'll eventually reach the
title screen and the XE-1AP is picked up). Once the XE-1AP has been recognised,
"ANALOG PAD" is displayed on the title screen, in place of "CONTROL PAD" for a
normal 3/6-button pad.
Notably, the USA version does /not/ support the XE-1AP. Instead, it uses the
controller detection code to add support for the 6-button controller--the
Japanese game is limited to three buttons. The title screen thus displays
"CONTROL PAD" (3-button) or "6 BUTTON PAD". The XE-1AP is not registered at
all, with no notation on the title screen, as if all controllers have been
removed.
While it now seems unlikely that genplus-gx is the issue, I still haven't been
able to successfully use the XE-1AP in Night Striker or Star Blade. They have
no obvious display of the currently used controller and either don't register
1AP inputs at all or do it wrong in my testing (in theory you could play Night
Striker--it's just that you're constantly firing, Mode maps to Up, Start maps
to Down, B maps to D-pad right and C maps to D-pad left). If these games do
indeed support the controller, it's likely a matter of finding the correct time
and place to insert it.
Original comment by vaguerant
on 22 Jun 2013 at 6:20
Well that's convenient. This post was made three weeks ago on Sega-16, by an
XE-1AP owner:
http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?4367-Official-Sega-16-Haul-Thread-4-
0&p=584579&viewfull=1#post584579
In it, the poster states that Night Striker requires the 1AP to be in the
second controller slot, with a standard pad in slot one. genplus-gx currently
only supports putting the analog controller in slot one, so this change is
likely necessary to allow use of the controller.
Notably, the post also claims that compatibility spans all game versions of 1AP
titles, which seems to be wrong from my experience with After Burner III. It
also again lists Star Blade as a 1AP game, though I've had no success using it
there as yet.
Original comment by vaguerant
on 22 Jun 2013 at 6:51
Bah, Starblade is a jerk. If you have the XE-1AP in slot 1 and a standard MD
pad in slot two, it will ignore the analog controller's inputs entirely,
handing control over to player two's digital pad. I pretty much always have a
standard pad set in slot 2 because a full cycle of slot 1's inputs leaves it
there by default. Messing around with the slot 2 controls in r810 I found that
setting it to someone other than a standard pad (e.g. none, the Activator,
another XE-1AP) makes the game start listening to the inputs on slot 1 again.
No idea why they would have made this design choice, assuming it was
intentional. Same behaviour on Japanese and USA version games.
I can also confirm the slot 2 XE-1AP support working perfectly for Night
Striker, as I'm sure you're already aware. That means all games currently
expected to work are working, with the only exceptions being whatever 32X games
use the 1AP. Thanks for the excellent support of such a niche accessory.
Original comment by vaguerant
on 9 Jul 2013 at 11:07
Original issue reported on code.google.com by
Rodrigo....@gmail.com
on 9 Mar 2011 at 10:20