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Forgot to mention: The two lines I've got commented out are two points that
create a rather thin spike in the geometry. I had hoped that this "extreme"
shape was the cause of the issue but turns out I still get a stack overflow
without it.
If somebody could tell me what sort of features or properties about this input
are bringing about this stack overflow, and what sorts of input I should try to
avoid, that'd be great also. It's got me puzzled because I have inspected the
geometry and there's nothing particularly pathological about it.
Original comment by stevenlu...@gmail.com
on 20 Dec 2011 at 3:01
I made a quick last-ditch effort which somehow worked: Avoided the stack
overflow by shifting all vertices so that all position values were positive.
This is quite interesting. I'm gonna re run my stress tests, forcing all input
above the axes. Will post back w/ results.
Original comment by stevenlu...@gmail.com
on 20 Dec 2011 at 3:07
Continued testing, went a bit further, this one's a failed assertion on a 277
vertex shape.
I tried this input shifted +2500.0 on both x and y and that went through
without an error, so it seems like it's not something about the shape itself
that's causing these runs to fail. Please verify these results...
Original comment by stevenlu...@gmail.com
on 20 Dec 2011 at 3:28
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I ran your poly2tri_stackoverflow.c pointset including the two commented points
on the Java version of poly2tri and it worked fine.
I tried to find anything wierd that could cause some precision issues and there
is a case where we got some almost collinear edges when doing the flip part of
the constrained algorithm. See attached image. Maybe doesn't say so much
without some explanation :P
I tried some different values for the epsilon used in utils.h InScanArea test
method.
I did this with the Java version.
It will only fail for me if I use epsilon <= 1e-15 and the default is 1e-12.
You could try 1e-11, but keep 1e-12 for the orient2d test. So create a new
epsilon just for the InScanArea method.
Original comment by thahlen@gmail.com
on 20 Dec 2011 at 6:30
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poly2tri_assertion.c also worked fine on the Java version.
Since it works it can't be an algorithmic issue. Must be some precision thing,
but can't understand why it would work with Java but not C++.
Well one thing my debugger code does is to find the bounding box of the
pointset and center the pointset around 0,0 and rescale it to range 0-1. If
that could have any impact.
Original comment by thahlen@gmail.com
on 20 Dec 2011 at 6:45
It does! If I don't recenter and rescale it I will get a Stack Overflow to.
Will look into this closer to try to find what fails.
Original comment by thahlen@gmail.com
on 20 Dec 2011 at 7:10
Try with the second dataset also. It's an assertion failure rather than stack
overflow.
Original comment by stevenlu...@gmail.com
on 20 Dec 2011 at 6:38
I have analyzed this further and the issue was my initial guess. The thing is
the basic three point orientation test that is used extensively in this lib is
scale dependent. E.g. The value I use for epsilon to check for collinearity
will also be dependent on scale. Thats is why when comparing to 1e-12 works
when the pointset is rescaled but not at original scale. The second one pass
the test. If you change the epsilon for InAreaScan to 1e-11 your pointset
should work with original scale.
I have always been scaling my dataset to the range -1,1 and haven't considered
this until now.
I have to think some more on this.
I cannot reproduce the error in the second dataset, what assertion does it fail
on?
Original comment by thahlen@gmail.com
on 20 Dec 2011 at 11:34
sweep/sweep.cc:715: p2t::Point& p2t::Sweep::NextFlipPoint(p2t::Point&,
p2t::Point&, p2t::Triangle&, p2t::Point&): Assertion `0' failed.
(second dataset)
So you say I should try to limit my domain to -1,1? I'll go give that a spin.
Original comment by stevenlu...@gmail.com
on 20 Dec 2011 at 11:53
Here's one in the [-1,1] range.
I've got some information on this data-set that may be of help. On line 19 is a
point which is 0.00006 distance from the point on line 17. Removing that
however does not fix the problem on my machine. Once I nuke line 140, though,
no stack overflow. The point on line 140 is 0.00008 from the point on line 138.
Happens to be the 2nd smallest distance between points (I check dist from point
to the one before and the one before that. No adjacent points are ever very
close because I run ramer douglas peucker on my set)
You say epsilon is 1e-11? What would be the size of the smallest feature I can
afford to have?
Original comment by stevenlu...@gmail.com
on 21 Dec 2011 at 12:24
Sorry forgot attachment.
Points of interest that I mentioned are indented in there.
Original comment by stevenlu...@gmail.com
on 21 Dec 2011 at 12:25
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I got a "spine eliminator".. Here the features are at minimum 0.0001 across at
the root.
I'll just keep sending you failed input data as I encounter them.
Original comment by stevenlu...@gmail.com
on 21 Dec 2011 at 1:00
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Overflow2 was exactly the same issue as before. After putting my thinking cap
on for a while I realized that I could probably improve the precision a bit by
just reordering the way I do the InAreaScan test.
Updating the Java version solved the problem.
Below is the new InAreaScan in utils.h.
Please try it and let me know how it works.
bool InScanArea(Point& pa, Point& pb, Point& pc, Point& pd)
{
double oadb = (pa.x - pb.x)*(pd.y - pb.y) - (pd.x - pb.x)*(pa.y - pb.y);
if (oadb >= EPSILON) {
return false;
}
double oadc = (pa.x - pc.x)*(pd.y - pc.y) - (pd.x - pc.x)*(pa.y - pc.y);
if (oadc <= EPSILON) {
return false;
}
return true;
}
Original comment by thahlen@gmail.com
on 21 Dec 2011 at 5:48
Alright, I can confirm my previously failing cases that I presented are now
working with that replacement code. Thanks!
I'll come back if I run into any more similar issues. I've found a rather
frustrating issue with my own segment-segment intersecting code... here follow
the link if you're interested.
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8585427/precision-issues-with-segment-segment
-intersection-code
thanks again.
Original comment by stevenlu...@gmail.com
on 21 Dec 2011 at 6:16
Damn. That didn't take long.
See if this one asserts for you. Did for me.
Original comment by stevenlu...@gmail.com
on 21 Dec 2011 at 6:22
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In this lib points need to be separated by atleast Epsilon, e.g 1e-12.
There hasn't been any floating point analysis done on the lib. It's precision
has been enough for anything I have needed it for to date. I started to look
into triangulation when I needed to triangulate some 2d fonts, which are pretty
simple polygons :)
I picked epsilon 1e-12 after running some polygon generation code that
generated some nasty polygons. Did a circle sweep polygon with some function
for altering the radius. After increasing the points to around 500k something.
I found that epsilon 1e-13 was where the algorithm broke down in precision when
using so many points so to be safe I felt that 1e-12 would be enough precision
for almost any triangulation needs :)
Original comment by thahlen@gmail.com
on 21 Dec 2011 at 6:23
I see. I did notice the debug geometry you have which is circular and very
spikey. But my method of generating test geometry is a bit more involved and
produces more random angles and stuff.
Original comment by stevenlu...@gmail.com
on 21 Dec 2011 at 6:26
Hehe.. keep em comming. Anything that can improve the lib is nice :)
The last dump is wierd. On the first triangulation it works but if I run it a
second time with same set I get the assert error to.
Looking into that.
Original comment by thahlen@gmail.com
on 21 Dec 2011 at 6:40
The last dump works fine with the old InScanArea method :(.
I'll get to the depth with this later. Guess it might be trickier than I
expected.
Original comment by thahlen@gmail.com
on 21 Dec 2011 at 6:47
Yeah, I'm generating a few more cases so you have enough of them to play with.
Soon enough I'll have the entire thing automated...
Original comment by stevenlu...@gmail.com
on 21 Dec 2011 at 6:51
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Original comment by stevenlu...@gmail.com
on 21 Dec 2011 at 6:59
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new random seed
Original comment by stevenlu...@gmail.com
on 21 Dec 2011 at 7:20
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I did something silly and some of those datasets may run fine. In that case
don't worry about it. But most of them either asserted or overflowed on me.
I'll be working on coming up with some different shapes now.
Original comment by stevenlu...@gmail.com
on 21 Dec 2011 at 7:37
I did something silly with the new InAreaScan to
if (oadb >= EPSILON) {
return false;
}
should be
if (oadb >= -EPSILON) {
return false;
}
The original old issues didn't get fixed by the new InScanArea. I might have to
tweak the algorithm a bit to fix this.
Original comment by thahlen@gmail.com
on 21 Dec 2011 at 8:17
Alright, now here's something interesting.
I made a random walk test, which is a 2D random walk. I have a vector that i
incrementally walk forwards and turn slightly each vertex. Then I add a noisy
random vector to that (which does not affect the walked vector itself). First I
set the noise vector small, so it always walks farther than the noise.
This passed all 5000 test cases I threw at it. I'm gonna run that one in a loop
overnight.
So then i modified it so the random factor got increased a bunch, so now I'm
still walking my location around but each vertex sent has a ton of noise. Then
with my perimeter algorithm I get a jaggy convex simple polygon out of that
mess. It basically looks like my squares and circles from before, same
jaggedyness but now theyre all amoeba-like too.
These jaggy mofo's assert and overflow like crazy. I'm fairly certain I did
these files right so you best check these ones out.
Original comment by stevenlu...@gmail.com
on 21 Dec 2011 at 8:19
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I would say the issue only crops up with protruding triangular bits. I might
design some tests that produce protruding mini-quadrilaterals and pentagons to
see if that affects it.
But smooth-ish shapes, even with large numbers of vertices, are handled just
fine.
Original comment by stevenlu...@gmail.com
on 21 Dec 2011 at 8:22
I ran non-jaggy randomwalk shapes overnight, it performed 55 loops of 5000
tests, what I do is I make a 3 vertex shape and send it through my polygonator
routine, then a 4 vertex shape, then 5, ... up to 5000, then I restart with a
new random seed from 3. This went 55 times so that's a total of 687 million
vertices processed. I had a memory leak which is why it stopped.
Original comment by stevenlu...@gmail.com
on 21 Dec 2011 at 10:59
That sound pretty robust ;). Did poly2tri contain the memory leak?
I haven't tested your latest dumps yet. The few I did had the same issue and
yes protruding is whats creates them. When you protrude from an edge you get
two points in the protruded triangle on the exact same line. The way I have
implemented my constraint algorithm gives a case where the algorithm can start
to ping pong between three triangles that (almost) share a common line.
If I had found this case before I released the lib I would certainly solved it
before release. I am glad you found it :). This will actually be the first real
algorithmic issue found since the release two years ago.
I am sure I can solve this by adding some code for that case, I just want to
think it true and make a fast and good solution than just a hurried patch :).
Btw. I am interested what project you are using the lib for. I guess you don't
triangulate polygons just for the fun of it ;)
Original comment by thahlen@gmail.com
on 22 Dec 2011 at 2:15
poly2tri has no memory leaks. I did bring up issue 33 on here which got
dismissed, but the issue was that the testbed code did not bother to free the
plist (vector<Point*>)'s pointers. The triangulator does not free these Points
itself. It shouldn't. It's all logical and I don't think it can be classified
as an issue, though I'd just prefer it if the c++ testbed code put in a loop to
free the points at the end.
I have fixed my leak and have ran 5+ billion vertices through the smooth random
walk tests by now (got 2 cores crunching it, the shapes are mesmerizing to
watch) so you bet your ass it's a robust algorithm. I'd just love to see the
jagged shapes go through with it. As you can see from my data it only hits a
few every hundred tests once it gets above 400 verts. I doubt the game engine
will ever see many 400+vert dynamic geometries, but maybe one day I'll decide
edge shapes aren't enough for my terrain. What you say about protrusions
creating lines close together makes sense based on the method I am using to
generate the geometry and I'm very glad you were able to narrow it down. I'm
not rushing you, and an efficient fix would be best, all I'm gonna do is
compile and drop it in anyway.
I got interested in convex decomposition back in 2008-ish when I investigated
methods to create unlimited geometries for Box2D. I stopped developing my game
engine code at some point in 2009 because I didn't have very clear goals for
where I wanted it to go, but now that I've graduated I'm looking at this core
functionality again. I went through several algorithms for triangulation back
in 2008 and the latest one was the CDT from GTS(gnu triangulated surface lib).
It was always a pain in the butt to set up on my dev machines because of the
glib dependencies. I wouldn't be surprised if that code also fails on these
crazy tests I'm running now, but either way I'm sure poly2tri is more
efficient. I am very glad to find a robust c++ implementation of CDT in
poly2tri, and naturally once I finished my complex->simple polygon code and a
triangle->concave polygon code I set about testing the routines.
I'm currently in the process of working out an efficient finite-element method
for performing stress analysis on my geometries so that I can do more realistic
dynamic breakage. Turns out this process should be generating data that I can
use to build a full-on soft body simulation with. Depending on how difficult it
will be to interface with Box2D I should end up with a pretty good framework
for a game engine.
Keep me posted on progress. Let me know if you need more test cases (though i
think i gave you enough)
Original comment by stevenlu...@gmail.com
on 22 Dec 2011 at 2:45
correction at end of third paragraph: triangle->convex polygon code.
Triangulator gets the concave data.
Original comment by stevenlu...@gmail.com
on 22 Dec 2011 at 2:48
Check this out: on c++ poly2tri, there is a failure (sorry, cant remember what
it was, segfault or assertion) if zero vertices are provided.
This only cropped up after 35,854 cases. The first time that my three points
were collinear within epsilon 1E-5. My random walk steps forward between 0.01
and 0.5 each step. RDP nuked vertex #2 as a result and I end up with 0 vertex
input to CDT.
Figured this would have happened before 35 thousand other attempts...
Original comment by stevenlu...@gmail.com
on 22 Dec 2011 at 3:37
Any progress? Keep me posted.
Original comment by stevenlu...@gmail.com
on 24 Dec 2011 at 8:49
I have an idea how to improve the algorithm. But it is also a precision thing..
so I really need to do a floating point precision analysis of the algorithms to
find the best epsilon values to use. I haven't really done one of those before
:P
The attached image is the current case I'm looking at with one of your polygons.
I guess you have intersected the edge ad with a tiny spike and get the
intersection points b and c. The thing is that b and c is very close together
and this is causing a precision issue with my current InAreaScan test. The
points abc will be considered collinear, bcd will also be considered collinear.
But abd will be just barely outside the epsilon value and be considered non
collinear. When this happens the current algorithm will enter an endless loop.
This specific case works when I lower the epsilon to 1e-14. Bottom line is that
I really need to decide what precision that can be used and if there is cases
that the algorithm can't handle an throw an exception instead of entering an
endless loop and cause stack overflow.
Haven't had time to look into this since it's christmas :-)
Original comment by thahlen@gmail.com
on 25 Dec 2011 at 12:28
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Okay. Both b and c are points on ad, right? Why would abd or acd not also be
collinear? It seems to me any combination of points in a,b,c,d should be
collinear.
Original comment by stevenlu...@gmail.com
on 25 Dec 2011 at 1:49
Also, do you know what causes the assertion error? Is it caused by the same
problem?
Original comment by stevenlu...@gmail.com
on 25 Dec 2011 at 1:50
Yes in a perfect world any combination of a,b,c and d would be collinear. But a
floating point world is discrete. Take all coordinates you can describe with a
floating number and zoom in and you get discrete points in R2.
My guess in this case is that b and c are very close to the line ad. When you
draw the line ab the point d will be very close to that line. I could see that
if b is much closer to a than d, even a tiny float precision offset of b could
result in the lines ab and ad not being collinear, by a factor of 1e-13.
The best of all would be if I could change my algorithm to avoid these kind of
tests. I just haven't figured out how to do that yet.
Original comment by thahlen@gmail.com
on 25 Dec 2011 at 2:46
Ah, I see what you mean now.
If you know that both B and C are on the line AD could you treat the values
parametrically for the collinearity test somehow? I guess you wouldn't have
that knowledge to begin with.
If this is only an issue when B and C are close together, could you merge them
into a single point? The tiny sliver of a triangle in there is eliminated.
Original comment by stevenlu...@gmail.com
on 25 Dec 2011 at 3:05
Now I know this would be a separate topic but what are your thoughts on
extending poly2tri with Ruppert's? See
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~quake/tripaper/triangle3.html
I'm getting into FEA and though poly2tri supports the addition of steiner
points, it seems to me that this refinement method can't be beat. What i'm
puzzling over at this moment is whether it's possible to come up with the
refinement vertices in a separate step, so that I could achieve the correct
triangulation by using a CDT without having to modify the CDT algorithm.
Original comment by stevenlu...@gmail.com
on 25 Dec 2011 at 2:16
I looked into refinement a bit when I worked with this lib two years ago. I
found this interesting page:
http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~ungor/aCute/algorithm.html
Never got around to do anything tho since it wasn't anything I needed myself.
I guess you could run the CDT triangulation on the original polygon. Then you
need to perform an incremental delaunay refinement, e.g find what triangle or
triangle edge the new point is in then form the new triangles and do a delaunay
operation on these.
Yes the best part would be if Poly2Tri had an interface to incrementally add
points into an existing triangulation.
Original comment by thahlen@gmail.com
on 25 Dec 2011 at 11:48
Yeah, being able to perform the point-addition operation on a triangulated
state would be amazing. Do you think that would ever be a possibility with this
codebase?
I honestly can't believe they were able to improve upon Triangle! The examples
posted on there are just beautiful. I wonder why Google was not able to clue me
in about aCute this past week?
If poly2tri were to incorporate some of these features, and they don't have to
do anything as optimal as aCute or Triangle, just allowing me to add a point to
an existing triangulation and allowing me to measure the result, would be very
good. With that ability I can probably build a halfway-decent algorithm for
making a mesh, and I won't be bound by Triangle's license restriction.
Original comment by stevenlu...@gmail.com
on 26 Dec 2011 at 2:16
I just found this!
http://code.google.com/p/poly2tri-c/
Original comment by stevenlu...@gmail.com
on 26 Dec 2011 at 2:23
Ah yeah there was someone who worked adding refinement to the c version.
Adding a point into a triangulation and refine should not be to hard. Most of
the needed code exist in the sweepline implementation. The thing is to find
which of the triangle the new point is in in an efficient way.There is one way
to traverse triangles in the list until you find the right one that is pretty
fast ofc. not as fast as creating some special search structure.
Original comment by thahlen@gmail.com
on 26 Dec 2011 at 9:57
I have another question for you. Does poly2tri include a sweepline/advancing
front sub-quadratic time segment-segment intersection algorithm? Such a routine
would help me optimize one of my routines, and I've been unable to find a good
implementation of it. I'm referring to the Bentley-Ottman algorithm or anything
similar.
Original comment by stevenlu...@gmail.com
on 3 Jan 2012 at 10:46
Sorry for no more updates on this issue. I am about to start doing some tests.
Regarding the segment-segment intersection. Yes I have implemented such an
algorithm and was going to include it with some future release. It works pretty
well but there are still some special cases that need to be supported like when
two segments are collinear and overlapping then the intersection is a segment
itself. Just support point intersection for now.
I haven't implemented this one from any paper. So don't know if it is similar
to Bentley-Ottoman. I just got the hang of the sweep-line algorithm when using
it with the triangulation and saw the potential to use it to sweep
line-segments and check for intersections.
It is implemented in Java and if you want I could extract it from my current
codebase. I did most of this a month or two after the first poly2tri release so
need to refresh my memory. Really want to finish this :). Could be used for
some fast polygon operations. I think it could handle something like 10k
segments and 40k intersections in 40ms, if my memory serves me right.
Original comment by thahlen@gmail.com
on 4 Jan 2012 at 1:19
This sounds very awesome. I am interested in helping you complete this and
porting it to C++.
My perimeter-following algorithm (which reduces self intersecting polygons into
simple polygons while throwing away "loops") depends on a seg-seg intersect
routine and I have just been using brute force for that. If I get that cleaned
up and optimized I'll be happy to incorporate that into poly2tri so that
poly2tri can triangulate any complex polygon shape.
Original comment by stevenlu...@gmail.com
on 4 Jan 2012 at 1:25
"so that poly2tri can triangulate any complex polygon shape"
That was my goal to and to include boolean operations between two or more
polygons. Strayed of and started playing around with OpenGL :).
Feels like it's time to finally finish this. Will break out the intersection
code from the code base and make it standalone and easier to work with.
Original comment by thahlen@gmail.com
on 4 Jan 2012 at 1:46
I have heard good things about Clipper http://angusj.com/delphi/clipper.php
Since this is also a permissive license there isn't quite so much a need for
adding boolean ops to p2t.
What's interesting though is that it uses (64 bit) integers.
Original comment by stevenlu...@gmail.com
on 4 Jan 2012 at 1:55
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