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problem with via tenting with SDRAM XSD v2.5 #6

Open thioroup8 opened 4 years ago

thioroup8 commented 4 years ago

Hi

I recently contact JLCPCB service to produce PCBs for SDRAM XSD v2.5. I used this gerber file: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Hardware_MiSTer/blob/master/releases/sdram_xsd_2.5.zip

Unfortunately, they sent me an answer containing question and I am unable to reply to them because of lack of knowledge. Please find below a copy of their message.

Hi Sir,

Well got your order with many thanks~

Sorry to bother you, but there is an issue that we want to confirm with you before proceeding.

As shown below, please kindly confirm that :

1.the top side is Tenting via holes

2.but the bottom side there is both "Enting Vias " and "oprning vias "

could ypu please kindky confirm that whether we can do your boards as your gerber file ??

Your early reply will be highly appreciated!

Thank you so much!

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Please help me to write appropriate answer to JLCPCB service.

Thank you for your attention.

sorgelig commented 4 years ago

Time after time JLCPCB start to send stupid questions. This gerber file made many times by them without any questions.
Here also quite stupid ask from them. It's obvious the vias on pads are opened while without pads they are tented. 2 columns of holes in the middle are holes with pads for THT connector, not vias. Tell them to transfer approval to other more professional person. Basically gerber has all info where to tent and where to open. They just have to follow the gerber.

thioroup8 commented 4 years ago

Thank you so much for your quick reply. I already ordered all electronic parts from mouser and I was afraid to be unable to solder my own PCB due to JLCPCB manufacturer :( I hope they understand my answer I will send to them following your instructions. I understand it is not an issue in your design and so sorry to place this message in the wrong place...

thioroup8 commented 4 years ago

oups I clicked on wrong button.

thioroup8 commented 4 years ago

Hi

I am back again with my first try to solder a SDRAM board for my MiSTer. Sadly I have some issues :( My memory board is not recognized by memtest utility. So, I double check with my microscope and my multimeter. All seems correct. So, I check another PCB without any component solder on it. My multimeter detects unexpected connections: I mean, I am surprised to find thoses connections because I do not see them on gerber files. Please have a look on attached picture: unexpected connections in red.

What do you think about thoses connections? Is there any issue during PCB manufacturing? Sans titre

sorgelig commented 4 years ago

I don't see what unexpected there. GND to GND, VCC to VCC. Looks fine to me. Board has 4 layers, not 2. I can't tell about manufacturing problem - it depends on specific manufacturer.

thioroup8 commented 4 years ago

On U2 chip, pin 54 is VSS. On U1 chip, pin 37 is CKE and pin 28 is VSS. VSS is ground, so I do not understand "VCC to VCC"? By simply looking at GTL, G1, G2 and GBL, it is difficult for me to deduce from these 4 gerber files the existence of those 3 connections (in red). I probably misunderstand gerber files: I need to improve my knowledge on this topic.

My SDRAM board is faulty and I do not know why:

Do you have a PDF with G1 and G2? PDF I am using contains only top and bottom layers. Maybe it could help me to verify my PCB... I tried kicad: too many graphic bugs. Unusable at all. I tried online gerber viewer on PBC manufacturer website (JLCPCB): sadly inner layers are not displayed. Actually, my best option: https://onlinegerberviewer.azurewebsites.net/Account/Login?ReturnUrl=%2fViewer#! to access inner layers but impossible to rotate display and printing give poor results...

sorgelig commented 4 years ago

VCC - is power, 3.3V VSS - is GND. CKE is connected to VCC - correct. Even on your pic you clearly can see VSS pins are connected to ground. You can check connections using schematics. I don't have more files than i upload.

thioroup8 commented 4 years ago

Well I made a lot of checks on an empty PCB and I think PCBs are correct. I suspect I used an excessive soldering temperature of 350 °C and I killed one or several components because datasheets recommend a temperature between 235 °C and 260 °C: very smart to read datasheets when it is too late... Stupid mistake to learn :(

david-cash commented 3 months ago

I already ordered all electronic parts from OVAGA and I was afraid to be unable to solder my own PCB due to JLCPCB manufacturer :(