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What's the replacement? #16862

Closed lluesing closed 5 years ago

lluesing commented 5 years ago

The article now reads: "This System Center Operations Manager Management Pack is now deprecated. It does not support the latest Application Insights SDKs and is no longer recommended." What's the replacement for this functionality then? How can we send data to Application Insights without having to break our SCOM monitoring? Been trying to get an answer on this from Premier for weeks and weeks.

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MGoedtel commented 5 years ago

Looping in @mrbullwinkle from the App Insights doc team to help answer this question.

mrbullwinkle commented 5 years ago

@lluesing My understanding is that the MP was released as a preview and never reached GA due to lack of customer adoption. I am not aware of further investment in this area currently. With that said, we are always open to customer feedback and if it is functionality you need I would absolutely create an item on the app insights feedback forum so that other customers can vote up your suggestion. If you do create a request for this, respond to this thread with the link and I will happily add my vote.

I am adding @rahulbagaria in case he has any more up to date info on potential investment in this area.

First depending on the application/workload it may be worth exploring if it is possible to shift monitoring entirely from SCOM to Azure Monitor which now has a whole range of full-stack monitoring functionality including App Insights.

If that is not an option, there is a potential workaround for getting data to Application Insights while still monitoring with SCOM. I believe if the SCOM agent is installed without the APM agent you should theoretically be able to instrument your .NET application with App Insights Status Monitor and have that data sent to App Insights while simultaneously monitoring with SCOM. If you also have the APM agent installed I believe you are correct and it would conflict with Status Monitor and prevent this configuration from working. It is not an ideal workaround in that it splits your single pane of glass with monitoring data in two disparate systems, but it can allow you to leverage the power of App Insights while still using alternate functionality in SCOM that you rely on. If you go down this path, I would recommend testing this config heavily as not all applications play nicely with runtime instrumentation, and I don't believe the SCOM PG has tested/validated this config.

lluesing commented 5 years ago

@mrbullwinkle Thanks for the extensive reply. This is all good information. We will definitely do some testing to see what happens with the status monitor components installed in tandem with the SCOM agent. We have not developed long-term strategies for any migration from primarily on-premise, private-cloud components to a large-scale public cloud adoption - so we will retain the on-premise SCOM implementation for at least the next couple of years. I'll certainly create a feedback item on the app insights feedback forum as well. Appreciate your help, sir!