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DDLC fan mod to extend Monika
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[art] is it even worth workin on? #5141

Open bittercaramel opened 4 years ago

bittercaramel commented 4 years ago

uh so, I wanted to make a blanket for Moni. So i decided to try, and that's what i got. bruh

I think it looks out of place, but I can't catch what makes it look so... Is it worth working on? Any way I could fix it? Just wanted to ask, because I was about to discard it, but I decided to mayb get some advice.

satoshi-kun commented 4 years ago

Hello! It looks good although, in my opinion, I'd have the blanket covering only her shoulders and not her head! Or just reducing the volume over her head, but that's just me! "Artstyle-wise" it looks great! Happy holidays!

bittercaramel commented 4 years ago

You really think it looks good? :o I thought it was shitty. Well then maybe I'll work on it more. About the only shoulders thing, that was my first idea, but then i saw this little monika under blanket. image But I guess you are right, so I did a really quick preview of how it would look like, and I think it's better. bruh Does the artstyle really look good? I think that before working more on it, I'll see what others think. But thank you very much! Happy holidays!

ImTheRealSlayer commented 4 years ago

Wow, this looks really good! Please keep going, i want to see this in the game!

20RaVen23 commented 4 years ago

https://github.com/Monika-After-Story/MonikaModDev/issues/5106 ( :3

Thimeo commented 4 years ago

That's really good, I like where this is going. Just a small thing however, I think you shouldn't make such a straight cut at the neck with the blanker, and making it more like it's covering the back of her neck a little (you can look at the scarf of the brown jacket or the collar of the santa costume to see what I mean).

Rai99 commented 4 years ago

Not that I'm complaining, but where are Monika's clothes?

bittercaramel commented 4 years ago

That's really good, I like where this is going. Just a small thing however, I think you shouldn't make such a straight cut at the neck with the blanker, and making it more like it's covering the back of her neck a little (you can look at the scarf of the brown jacket or the collar of the santa costume to see what I mean).

you are totally right lol it was a real quick edit to preview how it would look, and i just erased everything not needed I will redo it, i just wanted to see how it would look without the head part

~Not that I'm complaining, but where are Monika's clothes?~

o_o look at the rich one thinking everyone can afford CLOTHES.

lunulae commented 4 years ago

The first drafts already look amazing. This will be a great addition for people who like to hold their Monika through the night. :heart:

ThePotatoGuy commented 4 years ago

This might pose a challenge for the sprite system since the blanket would either:

Regardless, it's not that straightforward. Are you intending the blanket to be worn over clothes or as a clothing item?

bittercaramel commented 4 years ago

This might pose a challenge for the sprite system since the blanket would either:

  • be pre-arms layer which might cause issues with different clothing splits
  • OR need arm cuts which on second-thought is basically impossible to work with spritepacks.
  • OR the blanket would be considerd a clothing item, in which case the layering issues would be easier to manage.

Regardless, it's not that straightforward. Are you intending the blanket to be worn over clothes or as a clothing item?

Yeah, I was thinking about it a lot while making this... thing. I wanted it to be worn over clothes 'cuz it wouldn't cover whole Monika's body and she needs clothes underneath it. I started out thinking about arm cuts but I'm not good at making them, and besides I don't know how it would work spritepack-wise (i haven't looked into spritepacks that much yet)/ I mean, I might just make it a clothing item but how would it work? Honestly I do need some help on that one. And right now I don't know when I will again start working on it because of uh, personal issues. But I'll try to get to it as quickly as possible.

ThePotatoGuy commented 4 years ago

Start by reading the split-hair render order in #3174 . Then looking at the actual sprite files (mod_assets/monika/c/) would help in figuring cuts and stuff. and the psds in #3174 will help in seeing how it works in action.

The render order is designed to limit the amount of cutting needed by putting base pieces like the arms and boobs over clothes. As a result of this, clothing items are easier to manage since no cuts are needed, only a duplicate, cropped body sprite for the boobs and duplicated, cropped arm sprites for some of the arms.

If the blanket is an ACS (so it can be worn over clothing), then it would have to go in the MID ACS layer, but would conflict with the arms that have splits (crossed/leaning/maybe others). However, we can change the image used based on pose, so u can make blanket variants that wouldnt conflict on those splits. It's hard to say what the issue would be unless u try putting the blanket layer between the body and the arms and checking each pose.