[Suggestion] - Options for transgender people

[adhesivedem0n]

I think it would be nice to have even just a simple “I’m transgender” dialogue option, just so some players can feel like the gameplay is a bit more genuine.

[jmwall24]

So we tried to address this before and opened the PR up for discussion and no one commented on it. I guess where my confusion here lies is that do transgender people want to be called transgender or do they want to be called what the gender they identify as? So I guess what I'm asking is if we add a transgender option to the initial menu, would that be as far as it goes, or would there then need to be a secondary menu saying which gender they are for pronoun purposes.

[jmwall24]

To add to this, the reason we didn't include transgender initially was because, from discussions we had, the gender that people are/identify as currently is what's important, not so much what they were born as. So we figured that people telling her their gender was male/female/neither would cover it, since someone born a male who becomes female, is female. So, while we can add a transgender option, I just wanted to make our intent clear. The reasoning behind letting people change their gender whenever they want was specifically so people could tell her whatever they are/indentify as.

[lunulae]

There is currently an option when asking Monika to change your gender that lets her know, though that dialogue makes sense more for those who are beginning their identity transition during the time they're playing MAS. To my understanding it wouldn't change much in most of the dialogue (i.e. pronouns remaining the same,) but now that you bring it up, I do understand wanting to let her know. It's a conversation trans folks do often end up having to have with their intimate partners down the line. That said, I have to admit I'm not sure how to best handle said topic. Coming from a cis perspective I wouldn't want to just throw out cliches or try to guess. It'd really help to hear more specific thoughts on the dialogue from those who're living that experience.

[jmwall24]

We want this mod to be as inclusive as possible, so if anyone has ideas how best to handle it, put them here. People who we've talked to about this before seemed to prefer their former genders/identity not be referred to, so that's why we went with you just tell her what you want for your gender, so that what you are right now is what matters. If others living this experience feel differently, let us know.

[ashyashton]

As someone who is trans, I personally really would like to see something to tell her implemented. Not as a separate gender option, though, because to me, it's not its own separate identity. To me, it's kind of an additional trait. Like, I'm a trans man, and that statement is equal to saying I'm a blond man. It's an additional trait, albeit an important one, not its own thing, if that makes sense?

The way I see it, I am a man. Trans or not, I am a man, and I want Monika to refer to me accordingly. However, being trans is definitely an important part of me, so it would definitely be nice to have a way to just. Let Monika know that, I guess.

I wouldn't say it should be added as a separate gender under that menu, but rather its own topic maybe. Maybe a random topic where Monika brings up trans people, and at some point, she can ask the player what their opinion is, and one option is to say that the player is trans as well. That way it's regarded as just being a trait, rather than suddenly changing how she views the player or something.

[bo28111]

I'm pretty sure Monika says something like "In fact, I don't even know if you're a boy or a girl. Well, I guess it doesn't really matter." Heavily implying she's either bi or pansexual. I've taken these screenshots from a Jacksepticeye video because

1. I don't have the unmodded game installed
2. It proves this is real in-game dialogue

[Olliesama]

bo28111 is correct.

[Booplicate]

She does assume your gender in DDLC. But she also loves you unconditionally, as you are, and for who you are. There's only a few topics in the vanilla game because it was never focused on Monika and you. But MAS is. So we can have more interactions, she can know more about you, and you can know more about her (to some degree). You develop your relationship further. Knowing your partner gender is a part of it.

Having the option doesn't ruin your experience as for a male, right? But I think not having the option would ruin it for other people.

[Olliesama]

Not gonna lie but it's weird to ask if someone is something that is less than 1% of the population is. But that's just my opinion.

[jmwall24]

We'll probably add it as an option in the gender menu, formatted as M, F, Neither, Trans, and then if you pick trans, there will be another menu for M, F, Neither again. The entire point of this and why we ask in the first place is to set pronouns, so either way we need an answer to that question, but this way, you have the option of setting them first if you don't want to mention trans, or you can let her know you are trans and then set them after she knows.

[ghost]

Oh alright, tbh i didn't remember that dialogue, my bad sorry, i just said my opinion about how i see MAS to that topic even if its completely false

[ThePotatoGuy]

[closing as implemented]