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DDLC fan mod to extend Monika
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Randomised chess instant lose #6973

Open Ant9cp opened 3 years ago

Ant9cp commented 3 years ago

When monika gets the first move she moves the king in the bottom right corner and then i instantly lose

i lose every attempt and now you can lose instantly i'm confused

ThePotatoGuy commented 3 years ago

[leaving open as bug]

Wingdinggaster656 commented 3 years ago

I don't really think this is a bug, from a professional view.

You're talking about losing instantly in random chess (the point is random), right?

In fact, this instantly lose is not a bug at all. We can imagine an extreme situation: all your pieces are randomly selected as pawns, while all the other pieces are randomly selected as queens, so the opponent immediately sends a queen to attack the pawns next to your king at the beginning of the game, ok, you lose. It's not a bug at all.

While this is an extreme case, I can actually think of a number of ways in which you could be checkmated instantly. For example, if your king is surrounded by knights and your opponent randomly gets two rooks in the same file as your king, you lose, too.

If you want me to tell you what the problem is, the real problem is that random chess was never supposed to work this way. The orthodox random chess game is called <Chess 960>, and its rules don't simply random all the pieces. You can check out the rules on Google.

The orthodox random chess is impossible to lose the first round immediately. What's more, winning or losing a game is not just a matter of luck in those rules(as opposed to chess today, where winning or losing a game depends almost entirely on the randomness of the opening game). After all, in openings, just a tiny advantage is enough to create an overwhelming attack.

The random chess we have now is completely irrational. I have never seen any chess players play this mode with each other, and there are no websites that offer it.

multimokia commented 3 years ago

In fairness, it is a bug actually considering the fact that it should be at least somewhat fun

So being able to instantly lose on turn 1 is pretty counter to that. While the first couple of times might be funny, it gets dull and isn't really an engaging game.

As such we should aim to sort out a better algorithm to generating sides on the board as to not be able to lose on turn 1.

Booplicate commented 3 years ago

It is a bug and we're going to fix it. You're not supposed to lose a game in 1 move just because of rng.

The random chess we have now is completely irrational. I have never seen any chess players play this mode with each other, and there are no websites that offer it.

But we do have this mode and people like it.