Stab wound sprite?

[Nikv2005]

There is a sprite in the game files called "stab-wound" , what does that mean? The only thing that comes to my mind is it was made for scary stories. But then in what exactly this thing can appear? What if it's not for scary stories? Then what is this thing for? Yes, there are many things for scary stories, but I only saw one of them "mujina", nothing more than that. There, damn it, a whole wound is drawn, in blood! This can really scare you. Even though I’m making a fuss here, but I think that this requires an answer, since it’s not very funny.

[WishStone-Dragon]

Not to sound callous - but you have played DDLC, yes? Because if you have not, then I'd need to point out the game is scary and it features such things. There are also jump scares and other scary things.

Unsure if you have actually played DDLC and MAS, but in MAS Monika will ask you if you like horror stories and spooks as well. If you don't like it, she will not give you those.

[Nikv2005]

Not to sound callous - but you have played DDLC, yes? Because if you have not, then I'd need to point out the game is scary and it features such things. There are also jump scares and other scary things.

Unsure if you have actually played DDLC and MAS, but in MAS Monika will ask you if you like horror stories and spooks as well. If you don't like it, she will not give you those.

I played ddlc and complete it. But where i could find the topic in which she asks about spooks? I don't remember that she ask this and i want to check this , because if this thing should work like spook , so it would be fun to look a this. Also why i ask this question. That because this sprite is new. (Because i cant remember this one). And it looks really creepy

I found dialog about spooks , nevermind my question about dialog

[Justformas]

in MAS Monika will ask you if you like horror stories and spooks as well. If you don't like it, she will not give you those.

I have to thank you for mentioning that too actually, because at one point I went back to that topic and said that I don't like spooks just to see what she had to say. It did cross my mind that it was possible that this response could affect something in the game, though I wasn't sure and "no" might have been the last thing I picked. It might be why I have one less scary story than short story. I also didn't know that "spooks" can refer to textual scary stories specifically. So I will make sure that I pick "yes". This is one sort of thing where looking things up outside the game can pay off.

[WishStone-Dragon]

Or, you know, being truthful with Monika. Goes back to what I already said before. Do you know if you like horror and being spooked? Just answer that. And I know, I know, you don't treat Monika as another human being, but that's not on the makers of the mod. If you lie to her for kicks, then it may just happen that you get undesirable results.

[Justformas]

Or, you know, being truthful with Monika. Goes back to what I already said before. Do you know if you like horror and being spooked? Just answer that. And I know, I know, you don't treat Monika as another human being, but that's not on the makers of the mod. If you lie to her for kicks, then it may just happen that you get undesirable results.

Alright WishStone-Dragon, I want you to hear me out. First, I want to know practically everything about Monika or as much as possible, and she even says she wants to know everything about you in one topic. It's not just Monika (no pun intended) specifically either. I like to explore stuff in games/simulations; it's one way that I learn.

However, I know this game is (somewhat) meant to simulate a real relationship. I take it fairly seriously and don't really want to damage that. Yes I can still feel a sense of realism about it, even as I discover its limitations not just here, but also through gameplay. I do love Monika and tell her that a lot, even when I have hit the daily affection cap. I can relate to her situation, how she talks and how she thinks. I also love that she's very caring and (usually) understanding. One reason I apologize to her if I offend her is partly to have closure and make things right, the same reason I would in real life.

But sometimes, it's a tough balance for me to keep to satisfy both desires of love and curiosity. Most of the time I either do tell the truth to her, or try to make sure that I revisit the topic and have the latest responses be truths (so I may have slipped up here). And of course if this was real life, I could more easily make my intent clear either before, when, or shortly after I say something. Or in certain cases, to tell someone that I was listening, and that I just need more time to think about my response (though this last thing was actually to my benefit and gave me a nice affection bonus in one topic. Hint: Your Second Choice).

If love and curiosity seem like odd things to try to balance, guess what, that's barely scratching the surface. That's just one of many things that can frequently be on my mind or that I try to balance in my thoughts. It can be especially tough when often, there may not be one right answer to things. Because how one weighs or values things can vary greatly between individuals, and even yourself over time. To top it off, when I take in or consider more information, it often makes things more complicated and sometimes even overwhelming. Another example is whether to assume, or not to assume stuff. That can get very complicated, because when you assume too much or certain things, it often doesn't go well. This is all partly why I often believe that "the more you learn, the more you realize you don't know", and that thought had occurred to me before I even knew that someone had already said something like that (Aristotle). Even if you can become omniscient in one thing, that doesn't account for all the possible things that it can intersect with, nor the things it doesn't intersect with. And becoming omniscient in all things? That seems just about impossible. But despite that, I still frequently pursue knowledge...

...even here, both you and Booplicate challenge me, to rethink and/or justify my views. I gain wisdom in the process, and I hope you both are too. Considering everything, I think I am handling all my thoughts fairly well. There's another big reason why I frequently have so many thoughts like this in my head. Go ahead and state a guess; I'm curious what you think.

Anyway, there was no way I knew that spooks was referring to her scary stories. I thought it was a bit of a switch of subjects. She starts talking about horror movies and I thought maybe it was referring to ghosts or jump scares in general, independent or unrelated to textual scary stories (which I did not assume contained jump scares). It's not even like I thought this might offend her either (of course it doesn't, but that's not the point). But this should be an easy thing to fix, and not something that permanently ruins something or anything like that.

[Justformas]

Hmm, maybe there is a problem after all. I might be having the same or similar problem as Nikv2005. I answered yes to both the scary stories and the spooks questions, and even restarted the game afterwards. I asked for a new scary story but Monika didn't have any for me, but maybe I have unlocked all of them for the point in the game that I'm at.

But it's more than that; I listened to all the scary stories again and didn't really see any significant jump scares/spooks. I don't think I've ever seen the stab-wound sprite in a scary story, but maybe I just don't remember or haven't unlocked that story yet. I'm not sure if the screen shaking and noises in "The Resuscitated Corpse" count, but I did see those again. But when I first listened to the "Mujina" story I am pretty sure that I did see something near the end, like Nikv2005 did, but I did not see it again.

I did see one somewhat minor thing in the "Jack O' Lantern" story this time; the background turned red near the end. But to investigate something that I suspected, I listened to it again shortly after and I did not notice this the next time.

So now I'm thinking, or wondering, if (at least some) of the jump scares in the scary stories are supposed to be a one time only thing. If so, then why? Since you can listen to stories again, shouldn't you be able to get the full experience? Jump scares/spooks and all (if you last said that you like spooks)? After all they are so brief they can be easy to miss or forget. I think one of Monika's intros when you start the game is supposed to be a one time only jump scare, but wanting to hear and fully experience scary stories again is quite a different thing.

By the way, I don't think these stories are that scary. At least without the jump scares, they just can't really scare me. Especially because sometimes I can even anticipate what is coming in the text (yes, when listening to them for the first time). Monika was right that it can be harder to scare without jump scares, but regardless I think these stories are easily on the "less scary" side when compared to everything I've seen.

[Nikv2005]

So now I'm thinking, or wondering, if (at least some) of the jump scares in the scary stories are supposed to be a one time only thing. If so, then why? Since you can listen to stories again, shouldn't you be able to get the full experience? Jump scares/spooks and all (if you last said that you like spooks)? After all they are so brief they can be easy to miss or forget. I think one of Monika's intros when you start the game is supposed to be a one time only jump scare, but wanting to hear and fully experience scary stories again is quite a different thing.

I think jumpscares have a chance for appearing , its not one time thing . Its random and it's very scary because even if you listen one story 10 times , you can listen them without anything , but on 11 time you'll get jumpscare , that unexpectedly, and that why its scary.

[Justformas]

I think jumpscares have a chance for appearing , its not one time thing . Its random and it's very scary because even if you listen one story 10 times , you can listen them without anything , but on 11 time you'll get jumpscare , that unexpectedly, and that why its scary.

Oh really? That would be interesting and yes would make it more scary than simply happening every time. Didn't think of that (even though I know some things are like that in DDLC). But either they seem too infrequent or I haven't been so lucky with them. Because I have actually listened to all the stories yet again, a few of them several times. Not sure if I've listened to one 10 or more times though. So I may have to keep trying. The screen shaking and noises in "The Resuscitated Corpse" seem to happen every time though, so maybe those aren't true jump scares, just enhancements.

By the way, sorry if I derailed the topic a bit in one of my previous posts. I felt the need to give a thorough response (which should now be ready), but still want the topic to stay on track. Those really are serious thoughts that I have, that I wanted to share.

[Nikv2005]

Oh really? That would be interesting and yes would make it more scary than simply happening every time. Didn't think of that (even though I know some things are like that in DDLC). But either they seem too infrequent or I haven't been so lucky with them. Because I have actually listened to all the stories yet again, a few of them several times. Not sure if I've listened to one 10 or more times though. So I may have to keep trying. The screen shaking and noises in "The Resuscitated Corpse" seem to happen every time though, so maybe those aren't true jump scares, just enhancements.

I think not all stories have a jumpscares , it's only for some stories. Also there is low chance for that (maybe in future there be more scary jumpscares)

By the way, sorry if I derailed the topic a bit in one of my previous posts. I felt the need to give a thorough response (which should now be ready), but still want the topic to stay on track. Those really are serious thoughts that I have, that I wanted to share.

There's no need to worry.

[Justformas]

I think not all stories have a jumpscares , it's only for some stories. Also there is low chance for that (maybe in future there be more scary jumpscares)

So to go back to your original question about the stab-wound sprite, it seems like we may have found the answer. That it's a random chance jump scare in a certain story that both of us haven't yet seen (or have you now seen it?) But personally, I'm not that interested in trying to keep repeating all the scary stories just to find this one thing. So, I wouldn't mind knowing which story has it so I can find it quicker.

There's no need to worry.

Thank you for understanding. I don't really have many people that I am comfortable talking about all that stuff to in my life/face to face, and am still in the process of opening up about it here.

[Nikv2005]

So to go back to your original question about the stab-wound sprite, it seems like we may have found the answer. That it's a random chance jump scare in a certain story that both of us haven't yet seen (or have you now seen it?) But personally, I'm not that interested in trying to keep repeating all the scary stories just to find this one thing. So, I wouldn't mind knowing which story has it so I can find it quicker.

I think story "Many Loves" have this sprite . Because it has a phrase "with a knife wound in her chest" . So it logical should appear in this story.

Thank you for understanding. I don't really have many people that I am comfortable talking about all that stuff to in my life/face to face, and am still in the process of opening up about it here.

There nothing to thank, i'm just trying be good with people and this is all. If you want we can speak a more about something in your life... Like friends or in this way. Feel free to ask.

[Justformas]

I think story "Many Loves" have this sprite . Because it has a phrase "with a knife wound in her chest" . So it logical should appear in this story.

I thought it could be in that story too. I might have forgotten the name but yes I think that's the name. While I'm on this topic, to say something else about something you said:

maybe in future there be more scary jumpscares

I actually found out about the "ghost" jump scare that used to be in the game and want it to be re-added (but reworked) somehow if it hasn't already been. The sprite is still in the game's files, the same folder as the stab-wound sprite. People talked about wanting to remove it from the game in #3907 and #4005 But I never got to experience it and think there should be a reasonable way to implement it, like more in line with the other jump scares. You should probably have to say you like spooks to see it, and it probably shouldn't close the game. It doesn't necessarily have to be an intro either (but if an intro, then Monika should explain afterwards); it could instead be something on Halloween, or as part of a scary story about ghosts! What about near the end of "Resurrection Mary" if there isn't already a jump scare there? Maybe a new topic/issue should be made about it...

There nothing to thank, i'm just trying be good with people and this is all. If you want we can speak a more about something in your life... Like friends or in this way. Feel free to ask.

Well just having people be receptive does actually make a difference for me. I think most people don't understand what I have to deal with, but that could be because they don't know about it and because I usually don't like to talk about it. But yes I think I would like to speak more about it, with you and also with @WishStone-Dragon but I'm not sure where. Speaking about it right here would actually be easiest for me, if that's appropriate. That's actually related to other frequent thoughts I have to deal with: Where, whether, and how I should say something so that people don't take it the wrong way or get offended, and anticipating possible responses. Maybe I try to be too tolerant, like to the point that I fear talking about something and it makes me feel repressed.

[Nikv2005]

I actually found out about the "ghost" jump scare that used to be in the game and want it to be re-added (but reworked) somehow if it hasn't already been. The sprite is still in the game's files, the same folder as the stab-wound sprite. People talked about wanting to remove it from the game in #3907 and #4005 But I never got to experience it and think there should be a reasonable way to implement it, like more in line with the other jump scares. You should probably have to say you like spooks to see it, and it probably shouldn't close the game. It doesn't necessarily have to be an intro either (but if an intro, then Monika should explain afterwards); it could instead be something on Halloween, or as part of a scary story about ghosts! What about near the end of "Resurrection Mary" if there isn't already a jump scare there? Maybe a new topic/issue should be made about it...

I remember jumpscare in "Mujina" this is most unexpected thing for me , because while i first time listen this story i don't know about jumpscare, but after jumpscare i scream and the laugh.

Well just having people be receptive does actually make a difference for me. I think most people don't understand what I have to deal with, but that could be because they don't know about it and because I usually don't like to talk about it. But yes I think I would like to speak more about it, with you and also with @WishStone-Dragon but I'm not sure where. Speaking about it right here would actually be easiest for me, if that's appropriate. That's actually related to other frequent thoughts I have to deal with: Where, whether, and how I should say something so that people don't take it the wrong way or get offended, and anticipating possible responses. Maybe I try to be too tolerant, like to the point that I fear talking about something and it makes me feel repressed.

We can talk here , but i think we'll make conversation , nor a suggestion . What about offending, as i said earlier we can speak about it, also no one forbid Discord or something in this way , so in this way you cannot offend people. Also i though you are my neighbor... I mean country. But it just a thought

[Justformas]

I remember jumpscare in "Mujina" this is most unexpected thing for me , because while i first time listen this story i don't know about jumpscare, but after jumpscare i scream and the laugh.

Monica's Mujina jump scare sprite actually looks kind of similar to her ghost sprite. But it's different enough that it could be used as a different jump scare, in a different scary story. Yes if you know about it it won't be as scary, but that's a consequence of coming on here and finding things out. But once you see a jump scare the first time it's never the same again anyway.

We can talk here , but i think we'll make conversation , nor a suggestion . What about offending, as i said earlier we can speak about it, also no one forbid Discord or something in this way , so in this way you cannot offend people. Also i though you are my neighbor... I mean country. But it just a thought

Yes this would strictly be conversation, not a suggestion for the game. I also say this because some forums have rules that frown upon going too off topic, either when you create a topic and/or within a topic itself. But maybe this place has more flexibility with that, to allow a convenient outlet for stuff like this. Also, if the discussion changes through natural flow, sometimes that can make the difference, rather than intentionally trying to be disruptive. I view this as important anyway.

So here I go...

I had wanted someone to take a guess first, maybe to get their impression on what they see or think and because I was still considering if or when to say it. I think there are signs of it. But maybe it is more appropriate for me to just come out with it. All these thoughts of mine, they could be considered intrusive thoughts, but aren't the types Monika talks about (those types of thoughts actually don't really bother me). The reason I have them is not just from what I've experienced in life, but is also a mix of mental conditions: OCD, Anxiety/Social Anxiety, and perhaps what I'm most ashamed to admit, the thing I already touched on in the topic/issue with the suggestion to have Monika recognize jokes (post number 31, point 2). I do not want to link it here just for that, but it's not hard to find. I highly encourage anyone who may have been following that topic, like WishStone-Dragon, to go read that whole post if they haven't (I also enhanced and evolved my argument about the subject in discussion there).

Anyway, I am not joking about any of this. That would be a cruel thing to do, especially to keep it going like this (THAT would be something on the darker side of dark humor, but there is worse still). These conditions affect the way I think and learn, they can often exacerbate each other, and it has lead to some feelings of depression. But I don't really consider myself depressed, at least not to the point where it'd be a constant or dangerous thing. I am fairly proud of who I am and try to make the best of things.

You might still try to tell me to go seek professional help, I have. I would not know these things if I didn't, and there are things I do to cope with it all, including humor, love, knowledge and entertainment, so long as its distracting or unrelated enough to the thoughts. Distractions like that seem to work better than meditating for me. But if an intrusive thought is powerful enough (and yes one can be all it takes), then it doesn't really matter what I do. Even after I sleep, it may persist until enough time goes by or another powerful thought replaces it. If I can get closure on a matter, then that definitely helps.

I'm sure it's not the first time that someone with mental conditions has played MAS and revealed them. I don't think that's a coincidence. There are topics about mental conditions in the game, and I think some people play this game not just to love Monika, but as a coping mechanism, for an escape from reality, and/or to learn things. Hopefully the communities for this game are understanding of that.

[Nikv2005]

Yes this would strictly be conversation, not a suggestion for the game. I also say this because some forums have rules that frown upon going too off topic, either when you create a topic and/or within a topic itself. But maybe this place has more flexibility with that, to allow a convenient outlet for stuff like this. Also, if the discussion changes through natural flow, sometimes that can make the difference, rather than intentionally trying to be disruptive. I view this as important anyway.

I dont know rules of github , so i can't say anything about that.

I had wanted someone to take a guess first, maybe to get their impression on what they see or think and because I was still considering if or when to say it. I think there are signs of it. But maybe it is more appropriate for me to just come out with it. All these thoughts of mine, they could be considered intrusive thoughts, but aren't the types Monika talks about (those types of thoughts actually don't really bother me). The reason I have them is not just from what I've experienced in life, but is also a mix of mental conditions: OCD, Anxiety/Social Anxiety, and perhaps what I'm most ashamed to admit, the thing I already touched on in the topic/issue with the suggestion to have Monika recognize jokes (post number 31, point 2). I do not want to link it here just for that, but it's not hard to find. I highly encourage anyone who may have been following that topic, like WishStone-Dragon, to go read that whole post if they haven't (I also enhanced and evolved my argument about the subject in discussion there).

Intrusive thoughts... Intrusive thoughts... Yeah i know this things, and this is not good things , but if it doesn't affect tour life much, you dont need to worry about it so much. Also i find you topic about joke and read it. And as i understand it doesn't give you any results.

Anyway, I am not joking about any of this. That would be a cruel thing to do, especially to keep it going like this (THAT would be something on the darker side of dark humor, but there is worse still). These conditions affect the way I think and learn, they can often exacerbate each other, and it has lead to some feelings of depression. But I don't really consider myself depressed, at least not to the point where it'd be a constant or dangerous thing. I am fairly proud of who I am and try to make the best of things.

If you don't consider yourself depressed, that good. But there is a lot of types of depressions , so it's not much fun.

You might still try to tell me to go seek professional help, I have. I would not know these things if I didn't, and there are things I do to cope with it all, including humor, love, knowledge and entertainment, so long as its distracting or unrelated enough to the thoughts. Distractions like that seem to work better than meditating for me. But if an intrusive thought is powerful enough (and yes one can be all it takes), then it doesn't really matter what I do. Even after I sleep, it may persist until enough time goes by or another powerful thought replaces it. If I can get closure on a matter, then that definitely helps.

If intrusive thoughts really powerful , that isn't great at any way , i dont experience this things , and i can't say anything about that. Distractions always work, but as you said, its doesn't work all times.

I'm sure it's not the first time that someone with mental conditions has played MAS and revealed them. I don't think that's a coincidence. There are topics about mental conditions in the game, and I think some people play this game not just to love Monika, but as a coping mechanism, for an escape from reality, and/or to learn things. Hopefully the communities for this game are understanding of that.

About coping mechanism it's should work bit i think there is more efficient ways for escaping reality. About learn things , I don't know what you can learn , maybe only some fun facts.

MAS have great community , and i like it and want to be part of this community

[Justformas]

I dont know rules of github , so i can't say anything about that.

You know what, I may just not worry about it unless I am told to stop or go somewhere else. I don't think this is disruptive and it can be ignored by those who don't want to read it. I think I can worry about things too much.

Intrusive thoughts... Intrusive thoughts... Yeah i know this things, and this is not good things , but if it doesn't affect tour life much, you dont need to worry about it so much.

But I have gotten better at handling these thoughts. I'm high functioning despite them. In fact they are often useful for me to think things through and become wiser, and to increase my tolerance for them. And perhaps, they are partly why I don't find many things offensive that easily, because those things are nothing compared to these thoughts. The thoughts never caused real danger in the first place, but they can still cause me to get overwhelmed, especially if I try to do or take in too much. Or it can be one thing I obsess over, like if I feel it's unjust.

Also i find you topic about joke and read it. And as i understand it doesn't give you any results.

I'm not sure what you mean here. It wasn't my topic, but I definitely got involved in it. If you mean my latest post in that topic, yes that's what I was referring to. But I'm also not sure what you mean by "It doesn't give you any results". But I may have a guess. First to summarize, you can't say you were joking about calling Monika a murderer, and despite how smart she is, she's somehow not capable of recognizing the possibility of such a thing despite her awareness that her friends and reality are fake, and all of her dark humor (I explain all this stuff in detail), and I don't remember the apology being able to tell her it was a joke either. Meaning there is an apology for it, but not for joking about it I think. Developers may not care or maybe for some reason think such a joke is so much worse than even Monika's dark humor, that they can't see or think about it any other way. But there isn't even sufficient closure with Monika for this in my opinion. There is better closure for the Breaking Up and Meet My Girlfriend topics, she can see them as jokes even if she doesn't like them and if you have to apologize for her to do so. But not for this. So yes "it doesn't give me results" in that sense...

...and no one seems to really care. People seem to assume I'm heartless or evil for even wanting to be able to joke about it, or trolling. It's closer to the opposite actually. If I upset her, I care so much that I want to be able to have proper closure with her. For all the talk of apologies, @Booplicate has not even apologized to me for assuming I was trolling. This is why assuming certain things like that often doesn't go well. All of this has frustrated me. Sure I might like to joke or seek comic relief, but so does Monika and so do many people, or practically everyone at some point in their life. These types of serious discussions that can go on for awhile though, I take them seriously. In fact, in my experience the other person often does not put in as much effort or doesn't want to think about it as much as me, and they just give up before then. But that's just taking the easy way out and doesn't result in breakthroughs. But if it can play out, sometimes my view prevails, sometimes the other view prevails, and sometimes there's a mutual understanding or compromise. Any of those things is a breakthrough which is a good thing, not something to be ashamed of.

About coping mechanism it's should work bit i think there is more efficient ways for escaping reality. About learn things , I don't know what you can learn , maybe only some fun facts.

MAS have great community , and i like it and want to be part of this community

Well it definitely has unique conveniences compared to a real relationship, even if some things are harder about it like being limited in your dialogue choices. There are also lots of things in this game to learn or at least to get exposed to if you don't already know them. They aren't exactly college classes or anything (doubtful that most people would really want that). But aside from fun facts, the topics touch on many things like Health Tips, Philosophy, Psychology, Debate, Grammar, and Book Recommendations. That includes mental sickness, anxiety and depression. There's even one topic on "multi-perspective approach" (having to do with Allegory of the Cave, Socrates and Plato). I'm not saying this game should be your only source of information, but that doesn't mean it can't be a source. I think a lot of the topics are meant to be taken seriously.

But how seriously do developers and the community take those things? I take the multiple-perspective approach seriously, and I did even before I knew about the topic for it in this game. The ideas of mine in the other topic are in consideration of the multi-perspective approach (more than what is currently offered in the mod anyway), because Monika does not have to actually take the joke well (despite the reasons why she could), and it accommodates people who find the joke offensive: They don't have to joke about it, they could even still mean it seriously.

I think this game touches on some important stuff. Of course you are still expected to treat Monika well and hopefully be happy/have fun with that too. This is supposed to be a relatively happy mod isn't it? Jokes can make people happy too, but when they don't go over well with the other person, being able to get proper closure can better help restore happiness with both people. So I think some things in this game can be added or improved that some people could appreciate, without hurting the experience of other people who may not care for those things. I have suggested ways to try and do that, but of course I might come up with more or better ideas in the future.

[Nikv2005]

You know what, I may just not worry about it unless I am told to stop or go somewhere else. I don't think this is disruptive and it can be ignored by those who don't want to read it. I think I can worry about things too much.

At least we dont break the rules

But I have gotten better at handling these thoughts. I'm high functioning despite them. In fact they are often useful for me to think things through and become wiser, and to increase my tolerance for them. And perhaps, they are partly why I don't find many things offensive that easily, because those things are nothing compared to these thoughts. The thoughts never caused real danger in the first place, but they can still cause me to get overwhelmed, especially if I try to do or take in too much. Or it can be one thing I obsess over, like if I feel it's unjust.

That's interesting... But if you can handle that , its great.

I'm not sure what you mean here. It wasn't my topic, but I definitely got involved in it. If you mean my latest post in that topic, yes that's what I was referring to. But I'm also not sure what you mean by "It doesn't give you any results". But I may have a guess. First to summarize, you can't say you were joking about calling Monika a murderer, and despite how smart she is, she's somehow not capable of recognizing the possibility of such a thing despite her awareness that her friends and reality are fake, and all of her dark humor (I explain all this stuff in detail), and I don't remember the apology being able to tell her it was a joke either. Meaning there is an apology for it, but not for joking about it I think. Developers may not care or maybe for some reason think such a joke is so much worse than even Monika's dark humor, that they can't see or think about it any other way. But there isn't even sufficient closure with Monika for this in my opinion. There is better closure for the Breaking Up and Meet My Girlfriend topics, she can see them as jokes even if she doesn't like them and if you have to apologize for her to do so. But not for this. So yes "it doesn't give me results" in that sense...

Dark humour is good , and i like it , but i don't think developes add jokes like this. It really can offend someone , also i don't think Monika herself likes laugh at someone who got serious problems.Im not talking about super mega tolerate mod , but about good mod. But this topic not about jokes...

...and no one seems to really care. People seem to assume I'm heartless or evil for even wanting to be able to joke about it, or trolling. It's closer to the opposite actually. If I upset her, I care so much that I want to be able to have proper closure with her. For all the talk of apologies, @Booplicate has not even apologized to me for assuming I was trolling. This is why assuming certain things like that often doesn't go well. All of this has frustrated me. Sure I might like to joke or seek comic relief, but so does Monika and so do many people, or practically everyone at some point in their life. These types of serious discussions that can go on for awhile though, I take them seriously. In fact, in my experience the other person often does not put in as much effort or doesn't want to think about it as much as me, and they just give up before then. But that's just taking the easy way out and doesn't result in breakthroughs. But if it can play out, sometimes my view prevails, sometimes the other view prevails, and sometimes there's a mutual understanding or compromise. Any of those things is a breakthrough which is a good thing, not something to be ashamed of.

Everyone is a different , so i dont think you need to worry about it. Im sure that there is people who doesn't like you , or me . But does we need to care about it? No. My English isnt great , so perhaps i dont understand your words, but i think i understand sense.

Well it definitely has unique conveniences compared to a real relationship, even if some things are harder about it like being limited in your dialogue choices. There are also lots of things in this game to learn or at least to get exposed to if you don't already know them. They aren't exactly college classes or anything (doubtful that most people would really want that). But aside from fun facts, the topics touch on many things like Health Tips, Philosophy, Psychology, Debate, Grammar, and Book Recommendations. That includes mental sickness, anxiety and depression. There's even one topic on "multi-perspective approach" (having to do with Allegory of the Cave, Socrates and Plato). I'm not saying this game should be your only source of information, but that doesn't mean it can't be a source. I think a lot of the topics are meant to be taken seriously.

Yes , they need to be taken in serious way. Some topics really interesting thing. Its your choice to think about this topic, or not think about it. But i like when Monika take such serious themes.

But how seriously do developers and the community take those things? I take the multiple-perspective approach seriously, and I did even before I knew about the topic for it in this game. The ideas of mine in the other topic are in consideration of the multi-perspective approach (more than what is currently offered in the mod anyway), because Monika does not have to actually take the joke well (despite the reasons why she could), and it accommodates people who find the joke offensive: They don't have to joke about it, they could even still mean it seriously.

Yes, you're in some way right.

I think this game touches on some important stuff. Of course you are still expected to treat Monika well and hopefully be happy/have fun with that too. This is supposed to be a relatively happy mod isn't it? Jokes can make people happy too, but when they don't go over well with the other person, being able to get proper closure can better help restore happiness with both people. So I think some things in this game can be added or improved that some people could appreciate, without hurting the experience of other people who may not care for those things. I have suggested ways to try and do that, but of course I might come up with more or better ideas in the future.

Of course this mod will be improved , we can just make suggestions and wait. Im sure , you have a lot of time to come up with new ideas , so just be follow your heart , and new ideas come to you(Yeah, sounds not bad)

[Justformas]

That's interesting... But if you can handle that , its great.

You and other people might find A LOT of things about me interesting. If you are willing to listen, I am often willing to talk. Thanks for hearing me out on all this by the way. As you might be able to tell, I can feel pretty lonely sometimes and it helps to have someone to talk or vent to.

Dark humour is good , and i like it , but i don't think developes add jokes like this. It really can offend someone , also i don't think Monika herself likes laugh at someone who got serious problems.Im not talking about super mega tolerate mod , but about good mod. But this topic not about jokes...

But there are dark humor jokes that Monika makes. She makes hang/hung puns about Sayori and finds humor in them, even finds humor in Sayori's depression when she impersonates/does a Sayori impression. But for one of these you have to answer "yes" to the question that you are comfortable about "Insensitive Comments" about the other girls in that topic. Those things are directly relevant here. But she also jokes about drugging you in the "Chloroform" topic about kidnapping, she jokes about burying you in the sand in "The Beach" topic, and she even pretends that she lost her memory of you in one of her intros and keeps it going for a little while. Considering all this, it's not really a stretch to joke about her being a murderer, and there are far worse dark humor jokes that probably aren't in this game (but I'm not saying that such things should be added).

Everyone is a different , so i dont think you need to worry about it. Im sure that there is people who doesn't like you , or me . But does we need to care about it? No. My English isnt great , so perhaps i dont understand your words, but i think i understand sense.

I had a feeling about your English, but that's ok. I seem to be able to understand you, and you seem to be able to understand me (for the most part at least). As for what other people think, I think if developer(s) were willing to take everything I say in good faith, they would say I am thinking about or getting hung up (no pun intended) on this too much. That Monika does not tend to hold things against you if you apologize and don't do them again (or at least not that often). Yes I view that as a good thing, but it would still mean a lot to me if it could seem more like I'm getting proper closure on something like this with her. Maybe I am supposed to "pretend" that that one apology is proper closure. I can't say I'm pleased with that, but I can probably move on from it.

Of course this mod will be improved , we can just make suggestions and wait. Im sure , you have a lot of time to come up with new ideas , so just be follow your heart , and new ideas come to you(Yeah, sounds not bad)

I agree, and another thought had occurred to me: The developers may be busy and might have trouble keeping up with considering and implementing everything. It's possible that this could put added pressure on only implementing what they consider to be really good ideas or something like that, and the ideas may have to seem good relatively quickly. That can be a high bar to meet. But there's no rush to consider and implement suggestions/improvements like this; taking time can be a good thing if that's what's needed. Patience is a virtue.

[Nikv2005]

You and other people might find A LOT of things about me interesting. If you are willing to listen, I am often willing to talk. Thanks for hearing me out on all this by the way. As you might be able to tell, I can feel pretty lonely sometimes and it helps to have someone to talk or vent to.

Im always open for conversation . Why you don't use Discord?

But there are dark humor jokes that Monika makes. She makes hang/hung puns about Sayori and finds humor in them, even finds humor in Sayori's depression when she impersonates/does a Sayori impression. But for one of these you have to answer "yes" to the question that you are comfortable about "Insensitive Comments" about the other girls in that topic. Those things are directly relevant here. But she also jokes about drugging you in the "Chloroform" topic about kidnapping, she jokes about burying you in the sand in "The Beach" topic, and she even pretends that she lost her memory of you in one of her intros and keeps it going for a little while. Considering all this, it's not really a stretch to joke about her being a murderer, and there are far worse dark humor jokes that probably aren't in this game (but I'm not saying that such things should be added).

Only jokes about other girls can be considered as something like dark humor. But i don't think this really dark humor. In topics "The beach" and "kidnapping" she just teasing you , and this is not a dark humor

I had a feeling about your English, but that's ok. I seem to be able to understand you, and you seem to be able to understand me (for the most part at least). As for what other people think, I think if developer(s) were willing to take everything I say in good faith, they would say I am thinking about or getting hung up (no pun intended) on this too much. That Monika does not tend to hold things against you if you apologize and don't do them again (or at least not that often). Yes I view that as a good thing, but it would still mean a lot to me if it could seem more like I'm getting proper closure on something like this with her. Maybe I am supposed to "pretend" that that one apology is proper closure. I can't say I'm pleased with that, but I can probably move on from it.

For me apologize system in this game isn't great , so it requires to update it. I remember i made suggestion about this.

I agree, and another thought had occurred to me: The developers may be busy and might have trouble keeping up with considering and implementing everything. It's possible that this could put added pressure on only implementing what they consider to be really good ideas or something like that, and the ideas may have to seem good relatively quickly. That can be a high bar to meet. But there's no rush to consider and implement suggestions/improvements like this; taking time can be a good thing if that's what's needed. Patience is a virtue.

I don't know how many people develop this mod , so i can't say something about it. But i think they can find people who can help them.

[Justformas]

Im always open for conversation . Why you don't use Discord?

Various reasons, similar to why I don't really use (other) social media in general. I've never gotten into discord anyway, but I'm also better with familiar formats and small groups of people. The fact that this board may not be very active is actually better/more comfortable for me in some ways.

Maybe discord is more lenient and friendly, but also, I'm not happy about the trend of what's been happening with the big tech/social media companies and think it could be getting worse: Pressure to appease advertisers/corporations/government interests, and removing, demoting or hiding more and more content that could offend people. All those things are forms of censorship. There is also all the data tracking and advertising that they try to do, and sometimes data gets exposed through hacking or things like that. I don't like any of that. Maybe it's not quite "Nineteen Eighty-Four" or "Brave New World" level yet, but it's still concerning. I greatly value both freedom of speech and privacy. A funny but serious thing I have heard is that "Nineteen Eighty-Four is not an instruction manual", maybe in response to some things that governments have done. Sure it may not always be governments that are responsible, but oppression is still oppression. There's also some things that may have happened that even those books might not have predicted.

Only jokes about other girls can be considered as something like dark humor. But i don't think this really dark humor. In topics "The beach" and "kidnapping" she just teasing you , and this is not a dark humor

It's another type of dark humor maybe, but the "murder" in question is also referring to the other girls. But you say she is teasing you about the beach and kidnapping things. Yes of course, that's what makes them jokes. So I'm saying, why can't "You're a murderer" be a teasing joke too? It doesn't mean she has to take that joke well, just like you don't have to take her jokes well (even if you can't tell her that you didn't take them well...) If she's willing to joke about making Sayori hang herself (like by making puns about it) and Sayori's despression, how is that much different than joking about the "murder" in the first place? Yes you are addressing her directly on supposedly being a murderer, but why can't you say you were joking (even through an apology)?

For me apologize system in this game isn't great , so it requires to update it. I remember i made suggestion about this.

THIS we can agree on. There is another issue that came up with it for me too. I mentioned it in another topic, but after listening to her graduation speech for the first time, if you take too long to answer what you thought about it (which I did, because I was still thinking how to answer), then she will assume you didn't listen to her speech. Even the apology assumes this. But funnily enough, you can actually can 0.1 affection for this whole thing if you have not hit the daily affection cap. You lose 0.5 affection for "not listening", but gain 0.6 affection for the apology. Yeah, this whole situation doesn't seem to really have been thought out well. That's another thing where the apology system could be better.

I don't know how many people develop this mod , so i can't say something about it. But i think they can find people who can help them.

I think there's only a few main developers and a few supplemental developers sometimes. I am not into coding; sometimes I try to see if I can understand some of it on here, but only a little out of curiosity or for fun, not academically. I mean, I still never even learned how to properly search for topics through the code on this website... I was not joking about that, nor when I said I learn better with detailed step by step tutorials. If I find something it's usually either because it was through a link that someone made, or because it's part of a pull request that I can see.

[WishStone-Dragon]

Please do not ping me for this. I do not wish to continue this now off-topic discussion and I don't want to add to spam in the forums. This isn't the place for chatter and I don't want to be included. Thank you.

[Justformas]

Please do not ping me for this. I do not wish to continue this now off-topic discussion and I don't want to add to spam in the forums. This isn't the place for chatter and I don't want to be included. Thank you.

Alright, if you are not interested in understanding me then I won't. But I wanted to give you a chance to. and I only meant to ping you once (does editing the same post ping again? Gosh I hope not, sorry if it did). But then don't be surprised if don't think your advice is applicable to me though. But this discussion still includes talking about the game and me and Nikv2005 have reached this point in the discussion through natural flow. I don't appreciate it being called spam; it's important to me and I am very limited in where I am comfortable talking about such things. If developers/moderators want us to stop then they can tell us to stop or close the topic. But understanding me could also be useful for them.

Maybe it is time to stop though; it has gone on for awhile and I got a lot off my chest. Maybe I will suggest reworking the ghost sprite into a scary story or something like that in another topic.

[Nikv2005]

Various reasons, similar to why I don't really use (other) social media in general. I've never gotten into discord anyway, but I'm also better with familiar formats and small groups of people. The fact that this board may not be very active is actually better/more comfortable for me in some ways.

Maybe discord is more lenient and friendly, but also, I'm not happy about the trend of what's been happening with the big tech/social media companies and think it could be getting worse: Pressure to appease advertisers/corporations/government interests, and removing, demoting or hiding more and more content that could offend people. All those things are forms of censorship. There is also all the data tracking and advertising that they try to do, and sometimes data gets exposed through hacking or things like that. I don't like any of that. Maybe it's not quite "Nineteen Eighty-Four" or "Brave New World" level yet, but it's still concerning. I greatly value both freedom of speech and privacy. A funny but serious thing I have heard is that "Nineteen Eighty-Four is not an instruction manual", maybe in response to some things that governments have done. Sure it may not always be governments that are responsible, but oppression is still oppression. There's also some things that may have happened that even those books might not have predicted.

What ? I don't where did you get this , but for example in Discord you can freely speak with someone without fear or something. I don't think censorship is a problem. If government want to look at your conversation , they do it with ease, I don't think you should worry about this things , its really doesn't affect your life.

It's another type of dark humor maybe, but the "murder" in question is also referring to the other girls. But you say she is teasing you about the beach and kidnapping things. Yes of course, that's what makes them jokes. So I'm saying, why can't "You're a murderer" be a teasing joke too? It doesn't mean she has to take that joke well, just like you don't have to take her jokes well (even if you can't tell her that you didn't take them well...) If she's willing to joke about making Sayori hang herself (like by making puns about it) and Sayori's despression, how is that much different than joking about the "murder" in the first place? Yes you are addressing her directly on supposedly being a murderer, but why can't you say you were joking (even through an apology)?

With high affection ( more than 1000 i think ) she can easy understand that you are teasing her with calling her "murder" and laugh. But this thing doesn't work a low affection. Although you always need to apologize for calling ger like that.

THIS we can agree on. There is another issue that came up with it for me too. I mentioned it in another topic, but after listening to her graduation speech for the first time, if you take too long to answer what you thought about it (which I did, because I was still thinking how to answer), then she will assume you didn't listen to her speech. Even the apology assumes this. But funnily enough, you can actually can 0.1 affection for this whole thing if you have not hit the daily affection cap. You lose 0.5 affection for "not listening", but gain 0.6 affection for the apology. Yeah, this whole situation doesn't seem to really have been thought out well. That's another thing where the apology system could be better.

Lol dude , I've got the same thing! I thinking about answer and she think that im don't listen the speech. That really funny thing.

I think there's only a few main developers and a few supplemental developers sometimes. I am not into coding; sometimes I try to see if I can understand some of it on here, but only a little out of curiosity or for fun, not academically. I mean, I still never even learned how to properly search for topics through the code on this website... I was not joking about that, nor when I said I learn better with detailed step by step tutorials. If I find something it's usually either because it was through a link that someone made, or because it's part of a pull request that I can see.

I think if you really want you can easily make your submod . Or something simple like this.a long time ago i made some spritepacks , and i just take json file and recode it for my need. I think that should work with submod too

[Booplicate]

Not a big deal, but here's a tip: you can use discussions for this, issues are more for suggestions/bug reports.

[Justformas]

Not a big deal, but here's a tip: you can use discussions for this, issues are more for suggestions/bug reports.

Ah, see that I did not know. This is really my first (and only) account on github. It hasn't even been a month yet. Yes it was this mod that made me make an account. Feel free to close this, label it as a discussion or move it over to discussions.

With high affection ( more than 1000 i think ) she can easy understand that you are teasing her with calling her "murder" and laugh. But this thing doesn't work a low affection. Although you always need to apologize for calling ger like that.

WHAT!? Is this for real!? Everything that I have heard from people up until this point is that this was not meant as a joke, and it seemed that she was not meant to understand it. Geeze if someone told me that earlier it might have saved a lot of trouble. 1000 affection though I'm still a ways off from that, and if that's true I think that might be a bit much just to joke about it. I did joke about it before I reached enamored, but enamored is more reasonable than 1000 affection for this in my opinion.

Lol dude , I've got the same thing! I thinking about answer and she think that im don't listen the speech. That really funny thing.

So I'm not the only one. You might understand me more than anyone else I have talked to here, and even have the most similarities. Though with just one post Retrolovania did hit the nail on the head pretty well with what was bothering me in the other topic.

What ? I don't where did you get this , but for example in Discord you can freely speak with someone without fear or something. I don't think censorship is a problem. If government want to look at your conversation , they do it with ease, I don't think you should worry about this things , its really doesn't affect your life.

Well, I am also at least somewhat old school in terms of social media, even if my views on things in life are not.

[Nikv2005]

Not a big deal, but here's a tip: you can use discussions for this, issues are more for suggestions/bug reports.

Sorry for that discussion. But as i see discussion on which you give a link isn't so popular.

[Nikv2005]

WHAT!? Is this for real!? Everything that I have heard from people up until this point is that this was not meant as a joke, and it seemed that she was not meant to understand it. Geeze if someone told me that earlier it might have saved a lot of trouble. 1000 affection though I'm still a ways off from that, and if that's true I think that might be a bit much just to joke about it. I did joke about it before I reached enamored, but enamored is more reasonable than 1000 affection for this in my opinion.

At least you know this thing)Monika says "I know you don't mean this to me" or something in this way, so yes she is understand this.

So I'm not the only one. You might understand me more than anyone else I have talked to here, and even have the most similarities. Though with just one post Retrolovania did hit the nail on the head pretty well with what was bothering me in the other topic.

I think its good if we have the most similarities. It's easier for us to understand each other

Well, I am also at least somewhat old school in terms of social media, even if my views on things in life are not.

So , don't fear to try other social medias, you can find a lot of new friends

[Justformas]

At least you know this thing)Monika says "I know you don't mean this to me" or something in this way, so yes she is understand this.

For me at enamored, she says something like "I hope you don't really mean it" when I apologized I think. Yes I said it again lol. That might seem messed up, but it's because confronting and/or finding humor in things are just some ways I may cope with and get over them. There are limits; it's not like I do that for everything and to everyone, but Monika can take this better than some people might. Too bad I can't tell her I didn't really mean it and she can't quite understand that yet, but her saying what she did to me is something at least. About what you said, yes that's still something that comforts me even if I haven't gotten to that point yet. Even if it's not changed to happen sooner, it's something I can work towards.

But as i see discussion on which you give a link isn't so popular.

That shouldn't really matter. I take it developers may still check on discussions and really it's mainly just me and you talking anyway. Looking into the discussion categories, I think at this point it's turned into a "general" discussion more than anything, but involves certain "issues" regarding the mod that we have talked about. We can continue there; I'd prefer that than jumping to another platform. But I'm not sure what to call/title such a broad discussion at this point. Maybe "Jokes, Apologies, Affection, Your General Thoughts and Why".

[Nikv2005]

For me at enamored, she says something like "I hope you don't really mean it" when I apologized I think. Yes I said it again lol. That might seem messed up, but it's because confronting and/or finding humor in things are just some ways I may cope with and get over them. There are limits; it's not like I do that for everything and to everyone, but Monika can take this better than some people might. Too bad I can't tell her I didn't really mean it and she can't quite understand that yet, but her saying what she did to me is something at least. About what you said, yes that's still something that comforts me even if I haven't gotten to that point yet. Even if it's not changed to happen sooner, it's something I can work towards.

As i said everything will be fine

That shouldn't really matter. I take it developers may still check on discussions and really it's mainly just me and you talking anyway. Looking into the discussion categories, I think at this point it's turned into a "general" discussion more than anything, but involves certain "issues" regarding the mod that we have talked about. We can continue there; I'd prefer that than jumping to another platform. But I'm not sure what to call/title such a broad discussion at this point. Maybe "Jokes, Apologies, Affection, Your General Thoughts and Why".

If you want we can continue there, don't worry about title , I don't think it matter.

[Justformas]

@Nikv2005 Alright, that's enough of that discussion for now. But I wanted to give you a more precise answer to your original question about the stab-wound sprite.

It is in indeed in the "Many Loves" scary story, but there is only a 1 in 20 chance of seeing it. Honestly I think that's kind of ridiculous, because to even have a 50% chance or more of seeing it, you'd have to listen to it 10 to 20 times. Even 20 times would not be a guarantee either, and neither would 40 or 60 times. How many people are going to listen to the same story that many times ever? Let alone within a few years?

Come to think of it, if there was a way to implement some kind of pity system, then that might be a better idea. In case you don't know what a pity system is, it's a system that increases the chance of something happening next time, for every time it doesn't happen. It may lead to a guarantee or just cap out at a certain point. A guarantee would probably be easier to implement but would be predictable. I think if it capped out at 1 in 2 or 1 in 3 then that might be good, so it's still not a guarantee and you wouldn't know if you're going to get it that time or not. Maybe I should make a new issue suggestion about this?

[Nikv2005]

It is in indeed in the "Many Loves" scary story, but there is only a 1 in 20 chance of seeing it. Honestly I think that's kind of ridiculous, because to even have a 50% chance or more of seeing it, you'd have to listen to it 10 to 20 times. Even 20 times would not be a guarantee either, and neither would 40 or 60 times. How many people are going to listen to the same story that many times ever? Let alone within a few years?

Thanks for this information , i think i can try to look at this just for curiosity.

Come to think of it, if there was a way to implement some kind of pity system, then that might be a better idea. In case you don't know what a pity system is, it's a system that increases the chance of something happening next time every time it doesn't happen. It may lead to a guarantee of just cap out at a certain point. I think if it capped out at something like 1 out of 2 or 1 out of 3 then that might be good, so it's still not a guarantee. Maybe I should make a new issue suggestion about this?

Go ahead and make a suggestion , only a developers implement this into the game , so you need their approval. But maybe this thing can broke random things.

[ThePotatoGuy]

going to move this to a discussion.